A human 1st level monk with strength 12, dexterity 14, and improved grapple attempts to grapple a human 1st level warrior with a strength of 14 and dexterity of 10.
The Monk's CMB is +1 (+3 to initiate or maintain a grapple)
The Monk's CMD is 13 (15 when being grappled)
The Warrior's CMB is +3
The Warrior's CMD is 13
Round 1, the monk goes first and attempts to grapple the warrior. Monk rolls a 12, +3 for his CMB, for a total of 15, and grapples the warrior.
On his turn, the warrior attempts to break free. Warrior rolls a 10, +3 for his CMB, and should succeed in break free because the CMD of the monk is 13.
The reason I ask is, if the warrrior is not trying to grapple the monk, and only trying to break the grapple, the additional +2 for the improved grapple feat to the monk's CMD when BEING grappled does not count.
Yes or no?
Personally, yes it would count as the fighter is attempting to break the grip of someone who has had extra training (i.e. the feat) in grappling.
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A strict reading says no, but I've always used the benefit of Improved Grapple whenever grappling is involved. (I doubt you'll get an official answer on this.)
Personally, yes it would count as the fighter is attempting to break the grip of someone who has had extra training (i.e. the feat) in grappling.
This is the way I see it as well. Grappling is about more then just the initial grab, its also about holding on and/or controlling the victim after you have them in your grasp.
A strict reading says no, but I've always used the benefit of Improved Grapple whenever grappling is involved. (I doubt you'll get an official answer on this.)
If they succeed on the defensive grapple check, they can choose to grapple you rather than escape. That tells me that they SHOULD get the bonus to CMB, as the point of it is to help defend against attempts to grapple you.
That makes sense...
Would that logic mean that the Imp Grapple Bonus WOULDN'T apply to the CMD target number against Escape Artist attempts?
I feel the +2 for the improved grapple feat would apply, but not the +5 for continuing the hold as a circumstance bonus because it is specific to continuing the hold.
It isn't like the grapplee is just waiting to take it, but at the same time, both opponents are in the grappled condition.
Common sense should prevail on this one.
I appreciate the input.
Yeah, I believe the +5 is an attack bonus (which don't apply to CMD) for the Grappler's next turn,
and wouldn't even come into play until their turn anyway (i.e. after the defender's roll)