I'm on a bit of a Disney kick right now, watching some of the classics as well as some of the newer movies. It just happened upon me to try to stat up some of the characters for Pathfinder.
This morning I watched Snow white and the Seven Dwarfs, and Snow White is who I'd like to stat first. I'm thinking of Bard/Druid. Thoughts?
T I double Gah ER
Tigger is a monk with a tail. Not sure.
The other side of me says why would you do that? WTF?
FOR FUN! And I currently wasn't asking about Tigger, but Snow White. Please try to limit responses to what is helpful regarding the subject matter.
Fascinate, Inspire Competence and Suggestion seem almost mandatory Bardic Performances, so at least Bard 6.
On the Druid front, her Nature Bond should most likely be Animal cleric domain. Resist Nature's Lure seems appropriate, so she be 4th level. In addition I believe a new feat would be in order too allow her to add her Bard levels to her Druid levels when making a Wild Empathy check.
Besides your presence frightened me....
We say the same thing every day. ;)
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I'd probably go with nothing but bard levels and kick in a new feat that allows a bard's music to affect animals. There's already a feat that allow bards to affect undead so why not? I just don't see Snow as a woodsy priestess. I know we're talking about statting up a well-known fictional character here (an exercise that rarely meets up with everyone's expectations,) but Druids get alot of abilities that don't mesh well with her. Pass Without Trace? Wild Shape? I'm not seeing it.
The dwarfs were pretty much all experts or commoners.
I know we're talking about statting up a well-known fictional character here (an exercise that rarely meets up with everyone's expectations,) but Druids get alot of abilities that don't mesh well with her. Pass Without Trace? Wild Shape? I'm not seeing it.
/concur. Pathfinder is good for building a character with rules, and then describing them afterwards. Going the other way, especially for characters with no angle on level, abilties, or balance, is a pretty difficult exercise in any D&D ruleset.
Not to discourage the OP, of course. If you're gonna do it, straight bard makes sense for her. Or perhaps ranger with favored enemy: chores.
On a more serious note:
The dwarfs were pretty much all experts or commoners.
Utter nonsense. Grumpy is a paladin, Sneezy has levels of sorcerer, and Bashful is a rogue if I've ever seen one.
Despite obviously being human, I'd actually stat her out as a gnome bard. The only druid-y things she has are wild empathy, which could be substituted with handle animal, and the ability to communicate with animals (which gnomes get as a racial). Druids rely pretty heavily on wisdom, and miss White obviously used that as her dump stat.
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Actually, now that I think of it, why not build Snow the way you would a monster? Then you could give her whatever abilities you want without worrying too much about levels. She'd be Snow White, the 3HD Unique Humanoid, rather than Snow White, the Lv.7 Bard, or whatever. Instead of class abilities, give her a spell-like ability to call and charm animals and the extraordinary ability to use some of the bardic music powers. It might not be the most fun method, but it might be the most accurate way to represent Snow as a Pathfinder character.
You could use the same method to create truly unique Disney characters like, say, a Tigger.
mickey is an epic level yoda/wizard/rogue (have you played Kingdom Hearts?....seriously)
I realize this isn't helpful but it is purely lighthearted :P
As the story of her life unfolded... Snow White was raised practically as a servant to her mother the Queen.
I'd simply make a point of giving Snow White levels of expert and ranks in profession (maid) and profession (cook) or craft (cooking). As others have said... charisma is her main stat and its possible to have a 20 charisma even at first level. This rest can be filled in with perform skills and handle animal. Anyone can speak AT animals as anyone who owns a pet knows.
She really was a damsel in distress as she could not fight to save herself... so no special magical powers for her. Just straight up beauty and gentle kindness.
Copy-pasted from something I was brainstorming years ago, slightly modified for Pathfinder:
Ariel: Merfolk bard
Belle: Human wizard--diviner?--to Loremaster
The Beast: Shifter (from Eberron) barbarian
Snow White: Human druid with Leadership (Doc is her cohort, the other six dwarves followers)
Mulan: Human rogue/fighter (rogue for the social skills - Disguise is a must!)
The Prince from Sleeping Beauty: Human paladin, going into a dragonslayer prestige class (Sleeping Beauty herself is, alas, stuck with aristocrat levels)
Quasimodo: Dwarf monk (in actual Hunchback media, remember, he killed people with his bare hands)
Pocahantas (alas): Human ranger, raccoon animal companion
Simba: Awakened lion fighter
Jack Skellington: Skeletal champion human sorcerer (specializing in fear-based spells)
What no PC levels,
They totally kick but in real life, such as in shrek 2 you know that it was those sappy roles that women were forced to play in those other movies.I think they were forced to hide the less than overt talents for the films, I think really snow white would have taken the huntsmans knife and removed his sheath.
This reminds me of The Stepsister Scheme by Jim Hines, starring Cinderella, Snow White, and Sleeping Beauty. Take Disney Princesses and cross with Charlie's Angels.
Please remember ..no actual stat blocks can be shown on this site as the characters are all the property of the Disney Corporation. We don't want them sueing Paizo do we?
I agree ... sort of ... Disney's Snow White doesn't have PC levels. However, she's not an Expert either. Snow, Cinderella and most of the others are Commoners, plain and simple.
Fa Mulan ... now she's got Levels !!!
FWIW,
Rez
Snow White was forced to be a Scullery Maid by the Evil Queen. Cleaning up a mess like that the Seven Dwarfs left screams "Expert" at cleaning. However, I'd agree that commoner would also work.
Cinderella was forced to due chores and whatever her Stepmother and Stepsisters forced her to do. She really would work as a commoner.
Mulan... yeah... she might qualify as a warrior/monk with profession (soldier).
Beauty and the Beast... Beauty is perhaps a multi-class commoner/aristocrat depending on when you look at her... Beast is a aristocrat/lycanthrope (cursed hybrid form)
Cleaning up a mess like that the Seven Dwarfs left screams "Expert" at cleaning.At the risk of striding a little OT, I've noticed a tendency for DMs to want to stat NPCs using Core classes when they should be NPC classes, and Experts when they should be Commoners.
Let's remember that "Commoners" are by definition the most "common" people. A farmer is not an "Expert horticulturist" nor is a scullery maid an "Expert cleaner". They're all just Commoners. I'll grant you that a Butler might be an Expert (or more likely a Com/Exp multi- as he advanced in levels) but every other household servant will be a Com.
FYI - I was trying for tongue in check but apparently that fell flat.
One thing to consider though... Snow White was technically an aristocrat by blood. Seeing as how she was the daughter of the previous queen.
I'm glad to say that I'm mostly not one of those DM's. I made a bunch of "Ninja Assassins" to use against my players. I wanted something I could throw mobs of at the players. So I made my "ninja" elf experts. Maxed out stealth, smokesticks, short sword "ninja-to", and throwing knifes.
I generally think that nameless underlings should be NPC classes and only the "Named NPC Baddies" should possibly have PC classes.
Generally... if you want a one on four battle of a "boss" against the PC's you'll want to use a PC class for the boss not to be a joke.
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The wonderful thing about Tiggers...
(is Tiggers are worth some XP!)
TIGGER
CR4 XP 1200
CG Unique Small magical beast
Init +7; Senses darkvision 60 ft., low-light vision; Perception +5
DEFENSE
AC 16, touch 14, flat-footed 13 (+3 Dex, +2 natural, +1 size)
hp 24 (4d10+4)
Fort +4, Ref +7, Will +1
OFFENSE
Speed 30 ft.
Melee +5 Slam (1d4)
Special Attacks Pounce
STATISTICS
Str 11, Dex 16, Con 13, Int 10, Wis 11, Cha 14
Base Atk +4; CMB +3; CMD 17
Feats Skill Focus: Acrobatics, Improved Initiative
Skills Acrobatics +17 Perception +5, Stealth+12
SPECIAL ABILITIES
Tiggers are cuddly fellas (ex): All damage caused by a Tigger is considered nonlethal damage.
Tiggers are awfully sweet (su): Tiggers are supernaturally charming and any creature wishing to harm a Tigger is required to make a Will save (DC 14) or be unable to attack. The effect works as per the Sanctuary spell except the Tigger is still granted this protection even if it attacks an opponent (since a Tigger never attacks anything to cause it permanent harm.)
They're loaded with vim and vigor (sp): A Tigger can cast haste on itself three times per day. This effect lasts 1 round per hit die of the Tigger.
They love to leap in your laps!: Tiggers receive a +4 racial bonus to Acrobatics checks.
If anyone should be a druid, then it's pocahontas. Meeko being her animal companion. And the bird and the dog just charmed/animal-friendshipped animals.
On the other hand making Snow White a bard because she sings a lot would just mean that all the princesses are bards. I mean they all sing a lot. Sure not all of them to the effect of fascinating creatures around them, but they all sing.
We'd have to give it to at least Ariel too. It's been a while since ive been watching any of the older disney movies, but im sure Ariel and Snow White aren't the only ones.
It isn't just about singing, though. They all sing, which is Perform (Sing). They don't all do things with songs, as snow white does.
Jasmine..Aristocrat/Druid with Tiger Animal companion?
Alladin..Rogue/Sha'ir?
Jaffar..Wizard..with a parrot familiar
Jasmine..Aristocrat/Druid with Tiger Animal companion?
Alladin..Rogue/Sha'ir?
Jaffar..Wizard..with a parrot familiar
Jaffar is a sorcerer as far as I know. He doesn't use books and he refers to himself and is referred to as sorcerer as far as I remember.
Aladdin is definately a rogue though.
Hummmm...
Rafiki is a monk.
Mulan is a fighter
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Since the esteemed Twin Agate Dragons hasn't yet posted any stats for Snow White, I put together something for one of Disney's most famous adventurers:
Scrooge McDuck: Male duck (human); Expert 10; Medium-sized humanoid; HD:10d8+20; Hit Points: 77; Init:+1; Spd:30ft.; AC:11; Flat-Footed:10; Touch:11; BAB:+7/+2; CMB:+7; CMD:+18; Attack: +7/+2 Cane* (club) (1d6 damage); Face/Reach:5ft./5ft.; SQ: Skilled; AL:LG; SV: Fort +5 Ref +6 Will +12
Str 10 Dex 12 Con 12 Int 16 Wis 18 Cha 16
Skills and Feats: Acrobatics 15 Appraise 17 Climb14 Diplomacy 23 Handle Animal 17 Know-Geography 17 Know-History 17 Know-Nobility 17 Linguistics 17 Profession-Sailor 18 Profession-Miner 18 Ride 15 Sense Motive 24 Swim 14 Improved Unarmed Strike, Skill Focus: Diplomacy, Skill Focus: Sense Motive, Toughness, Combat Expertise, Improved Disarm
Special Equipment: Scrooge’s Number One Dime (as a Stone of Good Luck except it does not radiate magic and only functions when in the possession of Scrooge McDuck)
*Cane – Scrooge gains a +2 bonus to trip or disarm opponents with his cane.
where's jiminy cricket
or my all time favorite
The Tramp
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I considered writing up Gurgi from The Black Cauldron, but it's been too long since I saw it so I'd need to do some more research. I could probably write up Jiminy Cricket when I have a chance to pull out my books. A grig immediately comes to mind as the basis for Jiminy and Tramp, I imagine, would end up as an Awakened Dog Expert who specializes in stuff like Know: Local, Intimidate and Bluff.
i'm in love with that tigger
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Well, darkvision is part of the magical beast package of traits so I left it in and, while Tigger definitely usually bounces before he looks, I didn't want to penalize his Will saves since he's also usually pretty determined. I looked up the lyrics to "The Wonderful Thing About Tiggers" song for inspiration and went from there. I'm not saying these have to be Tigger's stats and anybody is welcome to change them.
Anyway, here's Jiminy and his pal Pinocchio (because I like Awakened Constructs.) An Awaken Vermin spell would have to exist for Jiminy to work unless he was some kind of naturally occurring magical cricket.
Jiminy Cricket: Male cricket; Expert 3; Fine-sized Magical Beast (augmented vermin); HD: 5d8; Hit Points: 40; Init:+4; Spd:10ft. Climb 10ft.; AC:22; Flat-Footed:18; Touch:22; BAB:+2; CMB:-11; CMD:+8; Attack: +5 Cane (club) (1-5 damage); Face/Reach:.5ft./0ft.; AL:LG; SQ: Lowlight Vision, Darkvision 60ft. Tremorsense 30ft. SV: Fort +4 Ref +5 Will +7
Str 1 Dex 18 Con 10 Int 14 Wis 18 Cha 15
Skills and Feats: Acrobatics 10 (14 jumping) Climb 9 Diplomacy 8 Escape Artist 10 Know: Nature 8 Perception 16 Perform: Sing 11 Perform: Dance 8 Sense Motive 12 Stealth 18 Swim 0 Skill Focus: Perform-Sing, Skill Focus: Sense Motive, Alertness
Special Qualitites: Jiminy receives a +4 racial bonus on Acrobatics checks made to jump and a +4 racial bonus to Perception checks. Jiminy receives a +2 bonus to disarm and trip attempts made with his cane if, for some crazy reason, he actually gets into a fight.
Pinocchio: technically male puppet; Commoner 1; Small-sized Construct (augmented); HD: 1d10+1d6+10; Hit Points: 21; Init:+1; Spd:20ft.; AC:14 (+1 Size, +2 Natural, +1 Dex); Flat-Footed:13; Touch:12; BAB:+1; CMB:-4; CMD:+10; Attack: +1 Slam (1d3-3 damage); Face/Reach:.5ft./5ft.; AL:NG; SQ: Lowlight Vision, Darkvision 60ft., Construct traits (however, as a thinking creature, Pinocchio is subject to mind-affecting effects) DR 5/slashing Vulnerable to Fire SV: Fort +0 Ref +2 Will -2
Str 5 Dex 12 Con - Int 12 Wis 7 Cha 14
Skills and Feats: Acrobatics 3 Perform-Sing 4 Perform Dance 7 Skill Focus: Perform-Dance
Special Abilities The Nose Grows (ex)- Pinocchio's nose grows anywhere from an inch to one foot every time he tells a lie. The length of growth depends on how big a lie he tells. Conceivably, he could break off lengths of his elongated nose and use them for killing vampires.
I'll let somebody else do Tramp. I'm sure I'm not the only person here with ideas for these characters.
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Expert (Bouncer)
That's hilarious. I get it. Because he bounces, he must work at a bar, right? Maybe that wasn't meant as a joke, but it makes a pretty good groaner.
You could give him class levels if you want, but then he'd have access to simple weapons and armor and I didn't think that was a good fit. Tigger also doesn't really seem to have many skills past jumping and sneaking. I think he works better as a straight-up magical beast but you could drop his WIS to 8, advance him to five HD and give him Iron Will. Like I said, I'm really just providing some ideas here.
It isn't just about singing, though. They all sing, which is Perform (Sing). They don't all do things with songs, as snow white does.
What? Snow White doesn't do anything magical with her songs, except annoy me.
Now Mary Poppins definitely works some magic with her songs! Definite bard levels.
Aladdin is a summoner.
And the incredible Mr. Limpet is either a druid or a sorcerer with the beast shape spell. Or possibly just a commoner who was stricken by a baleful polymorph...
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I've seen the minis for those duck people from Runequest, but that's all I know about them. I used human as the base for Scrooge because in the Scrooge McDuck universe all of the anthro races are basically just stand-ins for humans. Scrooge (a duck,) the Beagle Boys (dogs) and Gyro Gearloose (a chicken) would all have the same racial abilities within the context of their universe.
Speak with cute cuddly animals as a subset of Linguistics perhaps?
Come monday, I'm going to wreck my 2nd level party of players with a pair of Tiggers. It will be an adorable TPK.
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Come monday, I'm going to wreck my 2nd level party of players with a pair of Tiggers. It will be an adorable TPK.
But the most wonderful thing about Tiggers is Tigger's the only one. I'm kidding of course. I wrote him up as a unique magical beast, but the idea of a mob of tiggers (using Cityscape's rules for mobs) is pretty funny. Also, since Tigger is only capable of nonlethal damage it'll be more of a TPC (Total Party Clobbering.)
re the original post, I agree with many others here - commoner for snow white. the animals are just awakened, like they all are in the disney-verse.
The Prince from Sleeping Beauty: Human paladin, going into a dragonslayer prestige class (Sleeping Beauty herself is, alas, stuck with aristocrat levels)
good call for the prince-paladin, and sleeping beauty.
but what about the big bad evil gal?I am thinking epic sorcerer (probably arcane blood line for the raven familiar, but could be black dragon) with very low intelligence. why epic? she has incredibly powerful spells (putting a whole city to sleep for a hundred years, making miles worth of brambles, shapechanging (or dragon shaping) into a colossal black dragon. she must have low intelligence, because despite her epic level, she makes very dumb choices. she has orc warriors for lackeys and only figures out that they are still looking for a baby after 16 years have passed, and she is thwarted by a (at best mid-level) paladin and some incompetent pixies (maybe? some kind of fey that can't even bake a cake or make a dress). no way is she a wizard, way too dumb. but she has quite a presence and fashion sense (i.e. high charisma).
btw, anyone else notice how much she looks like an erol otus drawing?