so i noticed that some feats from the cheliax pathfinder companion have shown up on d20pfsrd.com and i was looking at cornugon smash. is it just me, or is this feat completely awesome for a melee type?
i'd go so far as to say this is a must take for fighters and two handed weapon rogues (or any melee with the feats to spare), it's just that much better than any of the core feats. thoughts?
I'm not familiar with the feat, but if it truly is a must-have feat, then it's likely overpowered.
It's not too bad. Just let's you Intimidate as a free action if you hit with a Power-Attack. Which has a chance to cause the target to be shaken (-2 on all rolls). This can be a fair amount early on, but when you hit CR 10's it'll be a drop in the bucket. Not that it won't be useful then because it's a free drop that'll stack with your local wizard debuffs and the like.
Prerequisites: Power Attack, Intimidate 6 ranks.
Benefit: When you damage an opponent with a Power Attack, you may make an immediate Intimidate check as a free action to attempt to demoralize your opponent. d20pfsrd source
nice feat but not a must have.
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Or you could just the Intimidating Strike feat from PHB2 (provided your DM allows old material.)
Type: General
Source: Player's Handbook II
You make a display of your combat prowess designed to strike terror in your foe. Your stance, attack method, and demeanor demonstrate to your foe that you are capable of defeating him with little effort. Your intent is clear - if you decide to hit your foe, you could easily slay him.
Prerequisite: Intimidate 4 ranks.
Benefit: As a standard action, you make a single melee attack against your foe. You subtract a number from this attack equal to or less than your base attack bonus. If your attack hits, you can make an Intimidate check against the foe you struck, with a bonus equal to the number you subtracted from your attack roll. If this check succeeds, your opponent is shaken for the rest of the encounter. You cannot use this feat to worsen an opponent's fear condition beyond shaken.
Special: A fighter can select Intimidating Strike as one of his fighter bonus feats.
The feat was written to be available at 1st level so you can convert it to Pathfinder rules by deducting three ranks from the requisite investment in Intimidate. You also don't need Power Attack to learn it.
Or you could just the Intimidating Strike feat from PHB2 (provided your DM allows old material.)
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The feat was written to be available at 1st level so you can convert it to Pathfinder rules by deducting three ranks from the requisite investment in Intimidate. You also don't need Power Attack to learn it.
Yes, but it specifically says (a) it doesn't stack with itself, and (b) it takes a standard action to use, so you can't use it with a charge or full attack, for instance.
Cornugon Smash is better (and so is the very similar Razmiran regional feat from the Campaign Setting).
Unless I'm completely misreading the PF rules, you can't get this until level 6 at the earliest (max ranks = HD). I've never really considered 6 "early" as most PrC's begin to open up around that level.
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Yes, but it specifically says (a) it doesn't stack with itself, and (b) it takes a standard action to use, so you can't use it with a charge or full attack, for instance.
Cornugon Smash is better (and so is the very similar Razmiran regional feat from the Campaign Setting).
Oh, I'm not saying Intimidating Strike is better or worse. It's just an alternative. It isn't regional and it doesn't have as many prereqs so somebody who wants the ability right away can take it at low levels where it would probably see alot of use, especially by rogues, bards and clerics who aren't going to get iterative attacks as quickly as full BAB characters. Personally, I like Dazzling Display.
Envisioning a monk built with Medusa's Wrath, I thought about Shatter Defenses as a way to easily make opponents flat-footed. So I searched for D&D feats allowing to make an Intimidate(Demoralize) check quicker than a move action. I found Bloodsoaked Intimidate (swift action, intimidate an enemy after Snatching a Trophy from one you just killed). This one is even better (free action, meaning as many of them as you want, and on the foe you're actually fighting).
Since I can't access d20pfsrd right now (at work), I have a question: are all those feats from pathfinder companions in the d20PFSRD website? I wanted to make a comprehensive tool for character generation, but the sheer number of feats (not to mention prestige classes) brings Excel to its knees, so I'm using Access to store the data. I have most feats, now, but not the new ones from Paizo. Hence the question.
Only feats that people have added from the Companions are on there. Same with items and prestige classes. I think people are only just now realizing that the Pathfinder Companions are just as OGL as the core book. You might notice the recent addition of the Diablolist to the prestige class list. I'm sure the Seekers of Secrets PrC's will be up there shortly.
Only feats that people have added from the Companions are on there. Same with items and prestige classes. I think people are only just now realizing that the Pathfinder Companions are just as OGL as the core book. You might notice the recent addition of the Diablolist to the prestige class list. I'm sure the Seekers of Secrets PrC's will be up there shortly.
Since it is OGL, do you think we will see those on Paizo's PRD site?
What about the APG? (I know, it's a little early for this)
Only feats that people have added from the Companions are on there. Same with items and prestige classes. I think people are only just now realizing that the Pathfinder Companions are just as OGL as the core book. You might notice the recent addition of the Diablolist to the prestige class list. I'm sure the Seekers of Secrets PrC's will be up there shortly.
We are getting as much open content from Paizo (and other sources) into the site as fast as possible. We have multiple people scouring the books and entering content every day. If people have specific things they'd like to see first I recommend posting requests on the d20pfsrd.com messageboards, otherwise we'll just post in whatever order we come to stuff.
I'll probably be adding the Death feats from Kobold Quarterly magazine within the next few days as well. They were originally 3.5 formatted but they're too cool not to include (and they're clearly marked as open content so they're good to go).
Since the OGL status of content from the KoboldQuarterly.com website is not clear I plan to remove all such content soon. I'd like Wolfgang (and crew) to somehow indicate what is open and what isn't but thus far it hasn't happened. If people want to see content from the Kobold Quarterly website on d20pfsrd.com I recommend posting on the KQ forums letting them know.
Since it is OGL, do you think we will see those on Paizo's PRD site? What about the APG? (I know, it's a little early for this)
Pre-PFRPG content is extremely unlikely to appear in the PRD. Content from the APG I believe will be in the PRD.
Unless I'm completely misreading the PF rules, you can't get this until level 6 at the earliest (max ranks = HD). I've never really considered 6 "early" as most PrC's begin to open up around that level.it's early relative to the other options a melee character has. really the only other thing is dazzling display, but that requires a full round action that doesn't do any damage, which is kind of a waste if you're only fighting one or two big things.
also, it's a FREE action, which means you can use it with attacks of opportunity, vital strikes, cleaves, whirlwind attacks, stunning fists, and the scorpion style chain.
i dunno, maybe it's just because melee types never get nice things that this seems extra nice by comparison.
Free actions can still only be used during YOUR turn unless noted otherwise, don't confuse it with an immediate action.
poorly built feat, granting a free action and an extra roll every round.
poorly built feat, granting a free action and an extra roll every round.
Not just every round, but multiple times per round (potentially)!
poorly built feat, granting a free action and an extra roll every round.Not just every round, but multiple times per round (potentially)!
Right. Say, a level 11 Monk would be able to attack 5 times, and, providing he succeeds in hitting each time, Intimidate as many times. If the Intimidate succeeds, with Medusa's Wrath and Shatter Defences, he would be able to attack two more times at full BAB (and Intimidate two more times too). Since fear effects stack, it could be over pretty quickly. On top of that, let's imagine he has Bloodsoaked Intimidate, and he could intimidate another foe as he drops one.
Of course, the previous example doesn't go into the fact that using Power Attack (necessary for using Curnugon Smash) lowers the ability to hit, so that the monk could end up with no hit and no Intimidate check at all.
Just another numerical application of angryscrub's and hogarth's realization:
Picture a fighter with enough feats to top Whirlwind Attack with the necessary feats to max Intimidate. As seen in another thread, that can bring the skill around +30 (race, ranks, class skill, skill focus, other feats).
Make a Whirlwind Attack with Power Attack and Intimidate everyone in range (should last a couple rounds) on top of making damage. Next round, make another to Frighten them, and they should flee. If they don't, repeat next round to Panic them, and they'll cower.
Did I read "broken"?
Did I read "broken"?
I would not use the word "broken", personally. "Irritating" is the word I'd use. Adding a bunch of short duration -2 penalties, making enemies flee for 1 or 2 rounds, etc. is mostly just a pain in the ass.