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On page 24. of the organized play guide:
Keep in mind that your character may
always purchase gear from her current or two previous
chronicles and may always purchase the items listed
in Chapter 10 under “Always Available Items.” Prestige
Award simply expands the list of items your character
can purchase.
On table 11.2 you’ll find the specific details for how
to use Prestige Award to gauge when your character can
purchase items above the basic limits. “Prestige Award
Attained” is the total needed to then purchase items
below the “Item Cost” limit in the second column.
For example, Bob’s character has achieved a Prestige
Award of 27 with the Cheliax faction. As a result, Bob’s
character may now purchase any item below 11,750
gp that’s legal for play. Purchasing items in this way
represents your faction’s willingness and ability to find
and sell you new and better gear, equipment, weapons,
and magic items.
does it include enhancements for weapons & armor in PFS?
for example:
Does this mean that as long as we fulfill the requirements for purchasing value such as 27 PA's represent 11,750 gp; that we can purchase for instance a +1 shock or flaming or mercy or even frost (whatever) weapon.
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Does this mean that as long as we fulfill the requirements for purchasing value such as 27 PA's represent 11,750 gp; that we can purchase for instance a +1 light fortification or blinding or even bashing (whatever) armor.
Director of Brand Strategy
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Does this mean that as long as we fulfill the requirements for purchasing value such as 27 PA's represent 11,750 gp; that we can purchase for instance a +1 shock or flaming or mercy or even frost (whatever) weapon.
also
Does this mean that as long as we fulfill the requirements for purchasing value such as 27 PA's represent 11,750 gp; that we can purchase for instance a +1 light fortification or blinding or even bashing (whatever) armor.
yes
Honestly, you can consider folks like Yoda or Doug Doug to be 100% official answers. :-)
So:
What he said.
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Honestly, you can consider folks like Yoda or Doug Doug to be 100% official answers. :-)
So:
What he said.
Is there a way they can get a tag added to their name to codify this?
I know it's still, but I've been in the same boat where a community member who I'm sure knows the rules just as well as any 'official' answer but I still (feel like) have to wait for an 'official answer' or an 'official' document reference.
It would also help future linking/digging back to this threat to point out that you did in fact deputize them. :)
/thoughts
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Honestly, you can consider folks like Yoda or Doug Doug to be 100% official answers. :-)
So:
What he said.
Just an addendum; but since now we can purchase enhancements for armor and weapons. Does this this also mean that as our prestige points get higher that we can add enhancements a little at a time to our weapons and armor as long as the TOTAL value of the magic item doesn't exceed the TOTAL of the character's current prestige award value?
Thank you to all this will be a huge help!!
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does it include enhancements for weapons & armor in PFS?
for example:
Does this mean that as long as we fulfill the requirements for purchasing value such as 27 PA's represent 11,750 gp; that we can purchase for instance a +1 shock or flaming or mercy or even frost (whatever) weapon.
also
Does this mean that as long as we fulfill the requirements for purchasing value such as 27 PA's represent 11,750 gp; that we can purchase for instance a +1 light fortification or blinding or even bashing (whatever) armor.
As Yoda (and of course Josh said), yes. So long as the total cost of the item is below 11,750 GP you can buy said item. You could buy a +1 Flaming sword, but you could not buy a +1 Flaming Keen Sword (Which would cost more than 11,750 GP total cost).
The same goes for armor.
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Honestly, you can consider folks like Yoda or Doug Doug to be 100% official answers. :-)
So:
What he said.
Just an addendum; but since now we can purchase enhancements for armor and weapons. Does this this also mean that as our prestige points get higher that we can add enhancements a little at a time to our weapons and armor as long as the TOTAL value of the magic item doesn't exceed the TOTAL of the character's current prestige award value?
Thank you to all this will be a huge help!!
You can upgrade those items and only need to pay the difference. However the total cost of the item must always be below your maximum gold value determined by your earned PA.
Is there a way they can get a tag added to their name to codify this?
Good idea. Something akin to this is in the works.
No, probably something more like the "JOSH HAS DEEMED ME WORTHY TO ESPOUSE RULES INTERPRETATIONS IN THE SOCIETY FORUMS SO BOW BEFORE ME YE MORTALS AND QUIVER IN FEAR" tag that I have in mind for those folks that always reply with the correct answer.
Okay, so maybe that tag is a bit long.
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Director of Brand Strategy
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No, probably something more like the "JOSH HAS DEEMED ME WORTHY TO ESPOUSE RULES INTERPRETATIONS IN THE SOCIETY FORUMS SO BOW BEFORE ME YE MORTALS AND QUIVER IN FEAR" tag that I have in mind for those folks that always reply with the correct answer.
Okay, so maybe that tag is a bit long.
No, sounds good to me.
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No, probably something more like the "JOSH HAS DEEMED ME WORTHY TO ESPOUSE RULES INTERPRETATIONS IN THE SOCIETY FORUMS SO BOW BEFORE ME YE MORTALS AND QUIVER IN FEAR" tag that I have in mind for those folks that always reply with the correct answer.
Okay, so maybe that tag is a bit long.
Now if the forum only had sig lines, then Yoda8myhead could have placed that quote there (I've seen such things in other forums) :)
Now if the forum only had sig lines, then Yoda8myhead could have placed that quote there (I've seen such things in other forums) :)
We avoid that sort of clutter 'round here.
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No, sounds good to me.No, probably something more like the "JOSH HAS DEEMED ME WORTHY TO ESPOUSE RULES INTERPRETATIONS IN THE SOCIETY FORUMS SO BOW BEFORE ME YE MORTALS AND QUIVER IN FEAR" tag that I have in mind for those folks that always reply with the correct answer.
Okay, so maybe that tag is a bit long.
yoda8myhead (Pathfinder Chronicles Charter Superscriber; Pathfinder Roleplaying Game Subscriber; JHDMWTERIITSFSBBMYMAQIF)
Yeah, looks perfect :)
Are you saying I can't do it manually?
lol
Good luck with that.
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From what I gather in this thread, total item cost is the final arbiter of what you can purchase with PA. I guess that means that if I have a +1 dwarven waraxe (2330 gp), I cannot upgrade that item to +2 (a new cost of 6000 gp) when I have only 23 PA, because that limits me to an 8000 gp item, and the TOTAL cost of my new axe is 8330 gp, even though the new expenditure is a mere 6000 gp.
I assume the 8k cap was designed specifically to keep +2 weapons out of reach, while allowing the Golem manual, flesh .
Estragon is a sad dwarven barbarian now, but maybe he will start working on that special project in the basement....
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Estragon
You are right with the total amount.
Don't interpret it too much that it is especially designed to keep X out and allow Y. No matter where you draw the line - something just seems to be above. And it is always what you want that is just 50 gp above.
Thod
It could be made slightly better if each PA incrementally raised your spending limit and didn't have it wait for the next 4 or 5 point 'tier.' Still could cause price issues as you point out, but could reduce wait time :)
And would make for a much longer table in the Guide.
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It could be made slightly better if each PA incrementally raised your spending limit and didn't have it wait for the next 4 or 5 point 'tier.' Still could cause price issues as you point out, but could reduce wait time :)
And would make for a much longer table in the Guide.
I personally would love to see the PA spending limit reduced to something as simple as a [praraphrasing] "You cannot purchase any item worth more than PA x 'XXXX'." As it is, I think there's still some confusion among some new players as to what you can and cannot buy. For example, I can spend 2 PA after any scenario to purchase an item worth 750 gp or less, *but* I can't really do that until I have at least 9 PA? So I can't really buy even a wand of cure light wounds until (probably) 3rd level...
Actually, as I think things through and write this, I think:
Character level * TPA * 125gp
is a fair approximation for the formula in the table, assuming you receive a max of 2 PA each adventure. One line of formula and no more confusing table! ;-)
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is a fair approximation for the formula in the table, assuming you receive a max of 2 PA each adventure...
It's been said more than a few times assuming 2 PA each adventure is a mistake :)
Aside from that, what do you mean it's unclear weather I can:
1) Spend 2 PA to get a CLW wand (anytime you are in a city > 5000 people and have 2 PA).
2) Spend 750 gold to get a CLW wand (anytime after you have 750 gold and 9 TPA).
3) Spend 750 gold to get a CLW wand off your Chronicle (anytime after you have 750 gold and a Chronicle that lists the wand).
/sarcasm :D
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is a fair approximation for the formula in the table, assuming you receive a max of 2 PA each adventure...It's been said more than a few times assuming 2 PA each adventure is a mistake :)
Aside from that, what do you mean it's unclear weather I can:
1) Spend 2 PA to get a CLW wand (anytime you are in a city > 5000 people and have 2 PA).
2) Spend 750 gold to get a CLW wand (anytime after you have 750 gold and 9 TPA).
3) Spend 750 gold to get a CLW wand off your Chronicle (anytime after you have 750 gold and a Chronicle that lists the wand)./sarcasm :D
I think, as you said, it all depends on the weather.
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It's been said more than a few times assuming 2 PA each adventure is a mistake :)
Understood :-) But it's been the impression I've been given that any adventure going forward has the *potential* for 2 PA at the most -- granted, I haven't been playing long, but no adventure I've played so far has offered 3 PA.
Getting 2 PA per adventure is the only way anyone could come close to the top end of table 11-2 (67 PA/157,500gp) -- (12 levels) * (3 adventures/level) * (max 2 PA/adventure) = 72 max PA over the life of the character.
Regardless, the formula I proposed gives one a max purchasing power of a 108,000gp item at level 12 with 72 PA. Yes, that's less than the max in table 11-2, but it *does* more closely match the "wealth by level" guidelines in the core rulebook -- and really, there's no 150K item that you need at level 12 ;-p
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Aside from that, what do you mean it's unclear weather I can:
1) Spend 2 PA to get a CLW wand (anytime you are in a city > 5000 people and have 2 PA).
This.
A wand of cure light wounds can be purchased with 2 PA and cannot be sold, but it still has a value of 750 gp -- which means that even if I get 2 PA in my first adventure, I shouldn't be able to purchase it until I have at least 9 TPA.
Why it's confusing is that my DM at the time at Origins said that the "Free purchase 750 gp" by spending 2 PA overrides the restriction imposed by table 11-2 ...
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That's not true. 2 PA = 750 purchase. Period.I haven't been playing long, but I had no idea that you can stack PA when it comes to using them for purchasing items. So 2PA equals 750gp, and 4PA equals 1500gp and so on, is that right?
You might want to make that explicit in the Guidelines.
Ah, ok, I misread something up-thread.
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That's not true. 2 PA = 750 purchase. Period.I haven't been playing long, but I had no idea that you can stack PA when it comes to using them for purchasing items. So 2PA equals 750gp, and 4PA equals 1500gp and so on, is that right?
You might want to make that explicit in the Guidelines.
Ah, ok, I misread something up-thread.
I can see that. There is a lot of mixed usage of PA going on in here.
There is a 2 point PA spend you can do for an item up to 750. But each module you play (and hopefully earn more total PA) that then raises your personal spend limit as per the table 11-2.
Hope that helps clear it up. :)
That's not true. 2 PA = 750 purchase. Period.I haven't been playing long, but I had no idea that you can stack PA when it comes to using them for purchasing items. So 2PA equals 750gp, and 4PA equals 1500gp and so on, is that right?
You might want to make that explicit in the Guidelines.
Ah, ok, I misread something up-thread.
You also missed the footnote on Table 11-1 on page 25 of the Guide:
Once per scenario, you can acquire any single item of this cost
or less from your faction by spending the appropriate PA.
And ArVagor, your GM and Zizazat are correct. Using PA overrides the gold cost limit, just as buying from a chronicle sheet does, so a character with 2 PA earned from the very first scenario played can start the second scenario with a wand of CLW or anything else that is 750 gold or less in price.
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You can upgrade those items and only need to pay the difference. However the total cost of the item must always be below your maximum gold value determined by your earned PAthis was the exact answer I was looking for.
Ok, I have a significant question here... are we sure that the total value of the item is what is limited, vs. the magical component of the item. For example, +1 Full Plate and +1 Mithral Full Plate are both always available (assuming you're in a city with a large enough GP limit). However, going from +1 to +2 for EITHER item is a differential increase of 3000gp, for a magical component total market value of 4000gp. Yet, if we include the physical component (the armor itself), the total values are now 5650gp and 13500gp respectively. This makes a rather large difference, especially considering the base item WAS NOT ACQUIRED by the Pathfinder Faction. (Pathfinder Society Organized Play v3.0.2, pg. 26, "Purchasing items in this way represents your faction’s willingness and ability to find and sell you new and better equipment, weapons, and magic items." If I'm merely upgrading equipment I already own, then the faction is only providing a spellcasting crafter to provide the upgrade, which is EXACTLY the same for either piece of armor in my example. If I were purchasing +2 items new, then that would make sense (including the material costs in total value).
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Ok, I have a significant question here... are we sure that the total value of the item is what is limited, vs. the magical component of the item.
Yes we are sure. Mark has commented on this elsewhere (too lazy to look up the thread). Regardless of if it "makes sense", you always factor the total price when determining if you have the requisite PA to buy something.
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Ok, I have a significant question here... are we sure that the total value of the item is what is limited, vs. the magical component of the item.Yes we are sure. Mark has commented on this elsewhere (too lazy to look up the thread). Regardless of if it "makes sense", you always factor the total price when determining if you have the requisite PA to buy something.
*Sigh*. Thanks. I've been searching for an official response to that issue, but have yet to run across it. I think it kind of penalizes open access to special materials though. At least in Living Greyhawk, those materials required special access. If that were the case here, I wouldn't have even asked the question.
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Can you "split" your magic item purchase for 2 PA?
For instance... could I buy 13 level 1 potions for 2 PA? (I know it would be dumb to buy 13 CLW potions when I could just buy the wand and get 50 charges, but say someone wanted to mix and match potions)
Can you buy mundane gear with the PA - like a masterwork mighty composite bow, for instance?
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Can you "split" your magic item purchase for 2 PA?
For instance... could I buy 13 level 1 potions for 2 PA? (I know it would be dumb to buy 13 CLW potions when I could just buy the wand and get 50 charges, but say someone wanted to mix and match potions)
Can you buy mundane gear with the PA - like a masterwork mighty composite bow, for instance?
It's a single item worth up to 750GP for the 2 PA. So, no on the first, but yes on the second.
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It's a single item worth up to 750GP for the 2 PA. So, no on the first, but yes on the second.Can you "split" your magic item purchase for 2 PA?
For instance... could I buy 13 level 1 potions for 2 PA? (I know it would be dumb to buy 13 CLW potions when I could just buy the wand and get 50 charges, but say someone wanted to mix and match potions)
Can you buy mundane gear with the PA - like a masterwork mighty composite bow, for instance?
OK, thank you good sir!
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You can upgrade those items and only need to pay the difference. However the total cost of the item must always be below your maximum gold value determined by your earned PAthis was the exact answer I was looking for.Ok, I have a significant question here... are we sure that the total value of the item is what is limited, vs. the magical component of the item. For example, +1 Full Plate and +1 Mithral Full Plate are both always available (assuming you're in a city with a large enough GP limit). However, going from +1 to +2 for EITHER item is a differential increase of 3000gp, for a magical component total market value of 4000gp. Yet, if we include the physical component (the armor itself), the total values are now 5650gp and 13500gp respectively. This makes a rather large difference, especially considering the base item WAS NOT ACQUIRED by the Pathfinder Faction. (Pathfinder Society Organized Play v3.0.2, pg. 26, "Purchasing items in this way represents your faction’s willingness and ability to find and sell you new and better equipment, weapons, and magic items." If I'm merely upgrading equipment I already own, then the faction is only providing a spellcasting crafter to provide the upgrade, which is EXACTLY the same for either piece of armor in my example. If I were purchasing +2 items new, then that would make sense (including the material costs in total value).
You can get +1 Mithral Full Plate without worrying about Fame limitations, because Mithral is "always available" and the +1 enhancement is also "always available". You could even add +1 adamantine Armor Spikes to the armor without worrying about fame limitations. But any further additions to the armor such as a +2, or +1 light Fortification, and now the TOTAL VALUE of the armor comes into play, including the special material cost of the armor, and fame will limit you on how much that is. Unless of course, it shows up as a found item on a chronicle, in which case you can buy it that way.
