Oil of taggit is an ingested poison. You can apply multiple doses of an ingested poison. Any idea how many doses you could apply to say...a pie? And if a character ate a slice of the pie, how many doses would they have to save against?
I can't seem to find anything in the afflictions section that might answer this and several other questions relating to dosing ingested poisons.
If you put four doses of oil of taggit in one pie and a four PC's ate it together, would they each get one dose or each get hit by the effect of four doses?
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Oil of taggit is an ingested poison. You can apply multiple doses of an ingested poison. Any idea how many doses you could apply to say...a pie? And if a character ate a slice of the pie, how many doses would they have to save against?
I can't seem to find anything in the afflictions section that might answer this and several other questions relating to dosing ingested poisons.
If you put four doses of oil of taggit in one pie and a four PC's ate it together, would they each get one dose or each get hit by the effect of four doses?
It would seem to me for ease and clarity you would take number of doses and number of slices and derive from there.
Otherwise you would get into weird math that seems unnecessary. 4 Doses. 4 Slices. One dose a slice.
8 Doses, 4 Slices, 2 Doses a slice, etc.
One hungry Dwarf who eats all the slices? Heartburn.
Edit: The more I think about it the more this makes sense to me. If I put a lethal does of arsenic into a pie, it would dissipate into the whole pie. I would need you to eat everything to ensure dosage...give or take. I said weird math earlier because you could argue that issues of digestion and separation might dull or amplify effects, were all 4 slices equal size? Were all 4 people equal size? How much is a single does? Etc.
Never eat pies left in the middle of the road.
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Oil of taggit is an ingested poison. You can apply multiple doses of an ingested poison. Any idea how many doses you could apply to say...a pie? And if a character ate a slice of the pie, how many doses would they have to save against?
I can't seem to find anything in the afflictions section that might answer this and several other questions relating to dosing ingested poisons.
If you put four doses of oil of taggit in one pie and a four PC's ate it together, would they each get one dose or each get hit by the effect of four doses?
I might consider increasing the save DC by maybe +1 per application after the first, but stacking the damage bonuses would be game breaking, IMHO.
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I might consider increasing the save DC by maybe +1 per application after the first, but stacking the damage bonuses would be game breaking, IMHO.Oil of taggit is an ingested poison. You can apply multiple doses of an ingested poison. Any idea how many doses you could apply to say...a pie? And if a character ate a slice of the pie, how many doses would they have to save against?
I can't seem to find anything in the afflictions section that might answer this and several other questions relating to dosing ingested poisons.
If you put four doses of oil of taggit in one pie and a four PC's ate it together, would they each get one dose or each get hit by the effect of four doses?
DC is increased by 2 and duration is increased by half-again RAW...it can be pretty brutal.
So what happens if you put 1 dose in a pie and 4 people each eat 1 slice of 4? Does it have a reduced effect? Does it have any effect at all?
Be nice if there was better guidelines for ingested poisons, but I suppose we have to wing it. Just whatever you choose remember to be consistent for PC's and NPC's. I was curious what you guys would come up with.
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It's easier to assume you have to put in enough poison to affect the number of servings. If you want to slip more doses to an individual you should spike the pie, the wine, the soup, etc.
Of course if you dump 6 vials of poison into a pie that the local ogre eats I would add +2 to the DC per dose and increase the duration as stated.
--Vrock Candy
Never eat pies left in the middle of the road.
Mr. Fishy accepts pie.
Drop a slice into his bowl, just to be sure. ;)
Less activated and more "not destroyed by" the stomach acid actually. Lots of venoms are perfectly safe to drink, barring a stomach ulcer or open wound in your mouth. Poison, by true definition, is something that you must consume to be exposed to. A contact poison, obviously, would also work when ingested, but its going to work long before it hits your stomach. However, there are a few poisons that are in fact activated by digestion, as that can alter the chemical makeup of the poison and turn it from dormant to active. Vaguely like sleeping pills and alcohol, (relatively) fine on their own, mixed, very dangerous.
Yay poison! Best part of going to the dentist! Getting exposed to 2 to 3 poisons! Maybe even four if you need teeth removed! Nitrous oxide, local anesthetic, injected anesthetic! Inhaled, Contact, and Injury!
RAW the dc only rises if they fail their save. So slice 1 is dc 15. if they make that slice 2 is dc 15. And slice 3 is dc 15...
Which is a little ridiculous. I can dump a hundred doses of poison in the pie, and they have to make 100 DC 15 saves? I'd just increase the duration and DC automatically. Quicker and more realistic.
Which is a little ridiculous. I can dump a hundred doses of poison in the pie, and they have to make 100 DC 15 saves?
Well, the way the statistics work on multiple rolls you'll get your result eventually.
RAW the dc only rises if they fail their save. So slice 1 is dc 15. if they make that slice 2 is dc 15. And slice 3 is dc 15...No, if you have 2 doses in 1 piece of pie, the DC does go up by 2, and the duration does increase 50%.
Making your initial saving throw against a poison means stacking does not occur—the poison did not affect you and any later doses are treated independently. Likewise, if a poison has been cured or run its course (by you either making the saves or outlasting the poison's duration), stacking does not occur. However, if there is still poison active in you when you are attacked with that type of poison again, and you fail your initial save against the new dose, the doses stack. This has two effects, which last until the poisons run their course.
Increased Duration: Increase the duration of the poison by 1/2 the amount listed in its frequency entry.
Increased DC: Increase the poison's DC by +2.
I'm fully aware of that rule, but it also states that if you're exposed to more than one dose of a poison in the same round, the DC will go up.
Citation?
I'm fully aware of that rule, but it also states that if you're exposed to more than one dose of a poison in the same round, the DC will go up.Citation?
Unlike other afflictions, multiple doses of the same poison stack. Poisons delivered by injury and contact cannot inflict more than one dose of poison at a time, but inhaled and ingested poisons can inflict multiple doses at once. Each additional dose extends the total duration of the poison (as noted under frequency) by half its total duration. In addition, each dose of poison increases the DC to resist the poison by +2. This increase is cumulative. Multiple doses do not alter the cure conditions of the poison, and meeting these conditions ends the affliction for all the doses. For example, a character is bit three times in the same round by a trio of Medium monstrous spiders, injecting him with three doses of Medium spider venom. The unfortunate character must make a DC 18 Fortitude save for the next 8 rounds. Fortunately, just one successful save cures the character of all three doses of the poison.
If you drink 10 doses of poison simultaneously, the DC and duration are automatically increased for said initial save. It's not at all like injury or contact poison.
I tend to agree with you, RD. I ruled it like that even when I thought the RAW said differently, but now I'm seeing that it supports me after all.
Someone has really screwed up the D20PFSRD poison page from the last time I saw it. It has removed some of the info that's crucial (like Jera quoted. Such info is on Paizo's PRD (poison), as well as the CRB, as well as Paizo's blog FAQ entry on poison), and also seems to have even re-worded the example to make it seem like 3 simultaneous spider bites would result in 3 separate saves instead of 1 save with increased DC....
Talk about malevolent/ignorant/improper editing...
...makes me lose faith in the d20 SRD a bit, despite my fondness for it.
You could always, you know... Tell them. It's a wiki. Wikis are editable.
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