I'd like to learn more about Pathfinder's iconic characters... Seoni, Valeros, etc.... is there one single place where all this information is consolidated or do I have to dig through past blogs, such as this one:
http://paizo.com/paizo/blog/tags/seoni
I didn't see an alignment listed for her.. Out of curiosity, anyone know what it is? I'd kinda like to get to know her better, maybe go out for a few drinks or something, but only if our alignments are compatible, ya know?
I was also wondering, is Valeros a follower of Cayden Caillean? Don't followers of Cayden carry a tankard around?
And how did they all come together as a team? How did the meet?
Now, as for Affirmative Action, why do we not have any half orc characters? Half orcs are people too, ya know.. Do I need to have my people speak with Paizo's legal department? ;P
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I'd like to learn more about Pathfinder's iconic characters... Seoni, Valeros, etc.... is there one single place where all this information is consolidated or do I have to dig through past blogs, such as this one:
http://paizo.com/paizo/blog/tags/seoniI didn't see an alignment listed for her.. Out of curiosity, anyone know what it is? I'd kinda like to get to know her better, maybe go out for a few drinks or something, but only if our alignments are compatible, ya know?
I was also wondering, is Valeros a follower of Cayden Caillean? Don't followers of Cayden carry a tankard around?
And how did they all come together as a team? How did the meet?
Now, as for Affirmative Action, why do we not have any half orc characters? Half orcs are people too, ya know.. Do I need to have my people speak with Paizo's legal department? ;P
The Inquisitor Iconic is a half orc.
As for Seoni, Valeros and what not, the idea is that the iconics are interchangeable. So, you won't get stories of them together unless its relating to an AP really. Their backgrounds are about the best you'll get, though they said they would redo the first four, since the ones that came later were far better than the initial ones. They hadn't "hit their stride" so to speak.
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...do I have to dig through past blogs, such as this one:
http://paizo.com/paizo/blog/tags/seoni
There is a single tag for all iconics: http://paizo.com/paizo/blog/tags/iconics...
As for their stats, they're included in various products, and are tailored to some degree to those products, so a 2nd-level Seoni stat block from one book may be different from a 2nd-level Seoni stat block from another book.
Her alignment is lawful awesome.
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Check out PathfinderWiki's Iconics category. All 12 existing iconics have articles on the wiki which include their writeups from the blog, their alignment, homeland, class, etc from their stats in the APs, and any supplementary info that may have come out about them since they were introduced.
...do I have to dig through past blogs, such as this one:
http://paizo.com/paizo/blog/tags/seoniThere is a single tag for all iconics: http://paizo.com/paizo/blog/tags/iconics...
As for their stats, they're included in various products, and are tailored to some degree to those products, so a 2nd-level Seoni stat block from one book may be different from a 2nd-level Seoni stat block from another book.
Her alignment is lawful awesome.
** spoiler omitted **
I made a new connection, based on Lawful Neutral alignments.
I didn't see an alignment listed for her.. Out of curiosity, anyone know what it is? I'd kinda like to get to know her better, maybe go out for a few drinks or something, but only if our alignments are compatible, ya know?
She's LN. And get in line.
I was also wondering, is Valeros a follower of Cayden Caillean? Don't followers of Cayden carry a tankard around?
Yes, he is.
For more information, get their stats. They're in Pathfinder Modules and Adventure Paths, and also in the PFRPG previews (where they made sample stats for the characters to show off new stuff for Pathfinder)
And how did they all come together as a team? How did the meet?
They're not really one big team. There is a quartet of them in each AP and module, but it's always a different quartet.
Maybe if and when there will be fiction about the iconics, we learn more about their group dynamics.
Now, as for Affirmative Action, why do we not have any half orc characters? Half orcs are people too, ya know.. Do I need to have my people speak with Paizo's legal department? ;P
Half-orcs are ugly and the only way they sell books is door-to-door.
Once the half-orc market for RPGs gets more lucrative, maybe their perverse lusts are pandered to, too, but until then, halforcophiles will have to get their kicks elsewhere.
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Half-orcs are ugly and the only way they sell books is door-to-door.
Once the half-orc market for RPGs gets more lucrative, maybe their perverse lusts are pandered to, too, but until then, halforcophiles will have to get their kicks elsewhere.
Watch who you're callin perverse mister. I haven't had any feet for awhile and yours look nice and tender.
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And how did they all come together as a team? How did the meet?
They're not really one big team. There is a quartet of them in each AP and module, but it's always a different quartet.
Maybe if and when there will be fiction about the iconics, we learn more about their group dynamics.
My theory is that Lem and/or Merisiel is to blame for them all meeting. :)
I think the following would be really cool:
When the time comes for Pathfinder fiction, each installment should feature four iconics. The same policy of character development as the APs should hold for the novels — that is, they are completely interchangeable and likely to die.
This will be insurance against Mary-Sue-ism. You can just pick up any book in the series and it will contain all the background you'll need on Lem or Amiri, etc. If Seoni, Valeros, or Selytiel becomes a Drizzt equivalent in terms of fan worship, I will never read these things.
Also, I think it would be cool if the protagonists regularly die in these books.
Hmm... Maybe I'll start the trend in fanfic or something.
If I were to write it, it would be 90% comedic and I would make it very much in the gameworld. Characters dying in traps anticlimactically, etc. Sounds like fun actually. Anyone have ideas?
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parodies of the AP's would be pretty funny. Big spoiler alerts tho. But at this point, who cares? Let a certain transmuter/archmage win because the PC's couldn't beat some giants.
Another fun idea would be to do a book from said transmuter/archmage's pov (before the AP happens and after his release). That would add depth to the character (for DM's to really enjoy playing the baddy!). I read "I, Strahd" to get behind Strahd von Zarovich's motives for the module. Works great!
Watch who you're callin perverse mister. I haven't had any feet for awhile and yours look nice and tender.
Bring it on, tuskie. But get your horde first, I don't want anyone to say that I engaged in fights that were too unfair.
When the time comes for Pathfinder fiction, each installment should feature four iconics. The same policy of character development as the APs should hold for the novels — that is, they are completely interchangeable and likely to die.
So you want novels that make no sense whatsoever (plot hole central) with boring characters?
Nice idea, but I prefer novels I won't throw into a corner after 10 pages ;-P
This will be insurance against Mary-Sue-ism. You can just pick up any book in the series and it will contain all the background you'll need on Lem or Amiri, etc.
That gets repetitive. So Seoni is in her third novel, but it still has a whole chapter about how she grew up to be a control-freak slash witch? Sounds like that one computer magazine we have around here - It's not just for amateurs, it's for drunk brain-dead amateurs who have problems with words that have more than two syllables. (I got it once because it was new, cheap, and had a nice bonus, but after reading an explanation about what a computer mouse was for the third time, in as many pages, I decided that this was not for me).
If Seoni, Valeros, or Selytiel becomes a Drizzt equivalent in terms of fan worship, I will never read these things.
That's okay - everyone else will :P
What's so bad about fans liking protagonists? I think it's a very positive part in a novel. In fact, I consider it a must-have. Who reads a story about a forgettable "hero"?
Also, I think it would be cool if the protagonists regularly die in these books.
It can be okay - if done right - in a one-shot series, PF fiction will probably be a serial, and there shouldn't be too many deaths. I'm not saying everyone should get +5 plot armour, but if the books stop in the middle because nobody is left, it's no longer fun.
And if we're talking about the iconics - those are supposed to stay for the duration. You just cannot kill them off just because you're frustrated that everybody likes Drizzt, nobody likes you, and you want him to die horribly for stealing your friends :P
I never considered Drizzt an iconic in the same sense that I consider the Pathfinder Iconics to be iconic. They're more like the core rulebook iconics in 3.5e with Mialee, Krusk, Lidda, and Regdar. Of course none of them were smoking hot unless you were into Hennet and that weird leather outfit he wore. (What was up with that?)
Of course I suppose Drizzt, Elminster, the Simbul, and Artemis Entreri could be said to be FR Iconics, but I just think of them as popular characters from FR fiction, which I never read. Since I never read FR fiction and only read FR source books, I only saw the stats for the mentioned NPCs in their region entries and they were no more iconic than any of the other regional NPCs for me. Well, except for Elminster. He had an in-character introduction to the FR Campaign Setting, and had his name in the title of some 2nd Edition materials.
So, in summation, we need to see more of Seoni and Kyra, and Seelah too. Seelah needs some more art without the full plate and maybe with a little make-up.
They're more like the core rulebook iconics in 3.5e with Mialee, Krusk, Lidda, and Regdar. Of course none of them were smoking hot unless you were into Hennet and that weird leather outfit he wore. (What was up with that?)
Oh yeah! 3e iconics!
Regdar, the Iconic White-bread
Mialee, the Iconic Looks Are Not Important
Lidda, the Iconic Paedophile Lure
Hennet, the Iconic BDSM-Freak
Jozan, the Iconic Character Without Personality
Devis, the Iconic Has-Been
:D
Of course I suppose Drizzt, Elminster, the Simbul, and Artemis Entreri could be said to be FR Iconics, but I just think of them as popular characters from FR fiction
Wouldn't call them iconics, either. (Though Elminster is the Iconic Perv).
They're setting characters and while they do appear in the FR books, they do so because they're from the setting and famous.
The iconics are iconics because they're iconic. They were there before anyone ever started writing novels for them.
Seelah needs some more art without the full plate and maybe with a little make-up.
Not the iconic fashion model, that one.
Seoni would scratch her eyes out.
The illustration of Seelah getting fitted for a dress in Council of Thieves is pretty awesome...
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The illustration of Seelah getting fitted for a dress in Council of Thieves is pretty awesome...
That's one of my favorites along with the similar picture of the Tiefling iconic(see avatar) being fitted for a dress in good ol' Paizo-run Dragon and Dungeon. I think it was for Age of Worms. The iconic cleric of Wee Jas was trying not to laugh as the tailor uneasily handled the tiefling's tail, who herself was all frown-faced over the ordeal of having to dress up.
Slice of life art with adventurers is fun.
Misery, the illustration is in the Sixfold Trials (#2).
The illustration of Seelah getting fitted for a dress in Council of Thieves is pretty awesome...
The expression on her companions' faces is priceless.