Familiar / Companion animal Imp


Rules Questions


Hello, I have a question for the imp as familiar/companion animal.

The PrC Diabolist give a Imp as companion animal with the level from PrC and the class.

The boon companion feat give + 4 level with the limit of the character level.

The noble scion thrune give a imp as familiar at 1st level of the sorcerer.

So it is possible to obtain 3 differents imps :
_ a imp from diabolist with PrC + Class level
_ a imp from the class sorcerer or wizard with the sorcerer/wizard level + 4 (from boon companion)
_ a imp from the noble scion with 1st level sorcerer + 4 (from boon companion)


I don't know how the Pathfinder rules would officially rule this, but i wouldn't personally allow a character to collect a menagerie of imps.

Familiars are supposed to be unique.
Animal companions not necessary, as some classes can gather a small horde of them, but an imp is not an animal.
Besides, the pact with a planar creature such as an imp or a quasit is supposed to be exclusive and forever, as the soul of the character is involved. I don't think you can sell your soul multiple times to multiples buyers.

What i would do with a character like in your example would be to use one single imp, but increase his level and abilities according to the classes.
That would become a badass imp, for sure, and then i think it would be appropriate to elevate him as a higher devil type, like a hamatula or an erinye.


Uh no. You certainly shouldn't evolve the creature, as familiars are supposed to be small helpers, not fiendish arse-kicking cohorts.

The sensible thing to do would be to stack all the class levels that grant the ability and use that total level to determine their abilities.

Scarab Sages

I agree with Arakhor.

A higher level imp is not the same as a badass eriynes or hamatula.


I agree with you two on the principle.

But the poster obviously shows a strong devotion to all things infernal and to the devils, and therefore it would seem appropriate to me to acknowledge that by giving him a special perk, such as transforming his impish familiar into a bigger servant, of course becoming a cohort.


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Animal companions not necessary, as some classes can gather a small horde of them, but an imp is not an animal.

It is an offical PrC from Book of Damned Vol 1.

The diabolist obtains a Imp as companion animal.


Can a sorcerer 5/diabolist 1 with the boon companion feat take the improved familiar feat to take a imp ?

did the character consider as a sorcerer 9th level for the improved familiar feat because the requirement for the imp is 7th for the caster.

Are there other feats or PrCs that improve the level for the familiar ?

Liberty's Edge

Waldham wrote:

Can a sorcerer 5/diabolist 1 with the boon companion feat take the improved familiar feat to take a imp ?

did the character consider as a sorcerer 9th level for the improved familiar feat because the requirement for the imp is 7th for the caster.

Are there other feats or PrCs that improve the level for the familiar ?

I think it should be pointed out, that unless a scroll of Lesser Planar Binding is used by the 5th Sorcerer, he cannot qualify for the Diabolist PrC. It is my understanding that, at least in the normal order of things, 10th character level is the first opportunity a character can take the PrC due to the above requirement.


Malagant wrote:
Waldham wrote:

Can a sorcerer 5/diabolist 1 with the boon companion feat take the improved familiar feat to take a imp ?

did the character consider as a sorcerer 9th level for the improved familiar feat because the requirement for the imp is 7th for the caster.

Are there other feats or PrCs that improve the level for the familiar ?

I think it should be pointed out, that unless a scroll of Lesser Planar Binding is used by the 5th Sorcerer, he cannot qualify for the Diabolist PrC. It is my understanding that, at least in the normal order of things, 10th character level is the first opportunity a character can take the PrC due to the above requirement.

I'll save the 1,250g (or so, less if one of the other casters) to get early entrance to the PrC. It's cheap in comparison to 5 levels. Given the other requirements, I'd imagine this is what they intended when they wrote up the class.

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