Rev. Robertson blames a deal made between the devil and Haitians for the recent earthquake.
Insanity speaks for it's self.
This is the kind of thing Robertson says after every natural disaster, and plenty of man-made ones too. I wish I had thought to find a sucker I could bet that he'd say something to this effect before his first televised chance. I could have raised some money for the relief effort.
If Robertson would put his faith where his mouth is, he'd get off his bully pulpit and put up the bucks and the aid and go over there and help those folks.
EDITED: I had more to say, but I decided to redact myself out of concern that there are people lurking in these forums that actually tithe their hard earned money to support this guy. I have no idea why; I'm agnostic on that one. :P
The man is a disgrace to Christians everywhere.
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Pat Robertson is a freak and is hijacking Christianity in the same way as the Taliban is hijacking Islam. However, in response to Samnell and Urizen, From what I have heard Robertson's humanitarian group is sending aid to the Hatians which is not getting reported.
Story is the second on the page.
Disaster Relief and Non-governmental Organizations:
You can make a donation through the American Red Cross’ International Response Fund, and it will be allocated specifically for Haiti relief efforts.
Mercy Corps has a way for you to donate your money straight to their efforts in Haiti, and Unicef also has a donation site set up.The United Nations World Food Program has teams “already on the scene, mobilizing emergency food assistance to families.” To support these efforts, you can make an emergency donation here.
Operation Blessing International also has disaster relief teams on the way. A donation of $50 or more will bring emergency food, water, medicine and more to the quake victims.
Project HOPE, which provide medical supplies and health care services to those in need, is seeking donations for their aid efforts in Haiti.
The Salvation Army is also sending personnel and supplies to assist in the relief effort, and needs of donations.
Yele, an organization set up by musician Wyclef Jean – a native Haitian, is an additional option.
Emphasis is mine.
Pat Robertson is a freak and is hijacking Christianity in the same way as the Taliban is hijacking Islam. However, in response to Samnell and Urizen, From what I have heard Robertson's humanitarian group is sending aid to the Hatians which is not getting reported.
Completely agree with you here, David. As an evangelical Christian, the things that this man says are appalling to me and certainly not within the mainstream evangelical belief system. He said the same basic thing about Hurricane Katrina and I'm sure that the next time some horrible disaster occurs he'll be saying it again.
It is my sincerest prayer that non-Christians who see his messages do not believe that is the mainstream view of Christianity.
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It is my sincerest prayer that non-Christians who see his messages do not believe that is the mainstream view of Christianity.
See, I read this and I think: What IS the mainstream view of Christianity? And who gets to decide? And how the heck are non-Christians supposed to know who gets to be a "Christian"? I'm forever seeing the excuse "Well he's not a REAL Christian." I'd like to see the guidelines/panel that get to decide.
See, I read this and I think: What IS the mainstream view of Christianity? And who gets to decide? And how the heck are non-Christians supposed to know who gets to be a "Christian"? I'm forever seeing the excuse "Well he's not a REAL Christian." I'd like to see the guidelines/panel that get to decide.
It is my sincerest prayer that non-Christians who see his messages do not believe that is the mainstream view of Christianity.
I sure hope you said that tongue-in-cheek. Schism fallout is not a pretty sight. Ask the Cathars. :P
Pat Robertson is a freak and is hijacking Christianity in the same way as the Taliban is hijacking Islam. However, in response to Samnell and Urizen, From what I have heard Robertson's humanitarian group is sending aid to the Hatians which is not getting reported.
Completely agree with you here, David. As an evangelical Christian, the things that this man says are appalling to me and certainly not within the mainstream evangelical belief system. He said the same basic thing about Hurricane Katrina and I'm sure that the next time some horrible disaster occurs he'll be saying it again.
It is my sincerest prayer that non-Christians who see his messages do not believe that is the mainstream view of Christianity.
You made a very timely and valid point Phillip. I live in norfolk,va and we are all so used to pat that nobody takes him very seriously. The mans way old and it's obvious his mind is slipping BUT he still has access to the nations air ways AND outside of the immediate area he is taken too seriously.
I honestly thought he was going to get into some serious crap when he wanted hugo chavez assasinated but everyone said "oh it's just Pat"
Your not the only eveangelical christian embarresed by him either. I have a buddy thats evangelical and he and I both get a laugh over the things pat says. I'm just glad that the pagan community doesnt have nationaly recognized nut cases. Between pat and fred phelphs and his crew you guys are taking a PR beating.
I have a friend here at work who happens to be gay and is an ordained pastor part-time for the United Church of Christ. He clipped out a picture of a drawing of a bodybuilder doing curls and titled it "The Preacher Curl" and in subtitles, it said "Photo courtesy of the Pat Robertson School of Puglistic Fundamentalism". So as to not draw negative attention at the workplace, it's tacked up discretely in my office next to the other cartoon with a picture of a flying penguin telling his grounded cousins that he's an abomination of God's law.
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I sure hope you said that tongue-in-cheek. Schism fallout is not a pretty sight. Ask the Cathars. :PSee, I read this and I think: What IS the mainstream view of Christianity? And who gets to decide? And how the heck are non-Christians supposed to know who gets to be a "Christian"? I'm forever seeing the excuse "Well he's not a REAL Christian." I'd like to see the guidelines/panel that get to decide.
It is my sincerest prayer that non-Christians who see his messages do not believe that is the mainstream view of Christianity.
It's a serious problem so far as I can see. I am constantly told that X or Y is not a True Christian (TM). So far as I can tell, this is an empty term that applies to whoever the speaker does not like or feels embarrassed by.
By that standard, I declare the Pope to be a non-Christian. Let's throw in anybody who doesn't heartily support same-sex marriage, non-procreative sex, women as priests, abortion on demand, and the abolition of the tax-exempt status of churches. While we're at it, let's also include anybody who does the opposite of all of those things. People who opposed the proposed Ugandan law to execute homosexuals are not True Christian (TM). So are those who favored it. And I could easily dig up self-identified Christians to ratify each judgment.
Surely you see the problem. Either all are True Christian (TM) or none are. Since nobody seems to have the authority to police the name, you're stuck. (The Bible can hardly be of any use, since it's the origin of most of the disagreements and any particular use of it is in itself a theological claim that could be disputed.) But this non-believer has a solution: drop the stuff about who is and isn't a True Christian (TM) and just say that X is a douche that doesn't reflect your personal theology, Christian or otherwise.
But this non-believer has a solution: drop the stuff about who is and isn't a True Christian (TM) and just say that X is a douche that doesn't reflect your personal theology, Christian or otherwise.
I admit you got a chuckle out of me on that. Being a non-believer as well, even we have our own X who don't agree with our personal philosophies and thus assign them for a thorough douching, too. It's all a cesspool.
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I can't speak for anyone else but I look at Pat Robertson every time he opens his mouth like this and know that he is not speaking as a Christian. The reason being is that his statements violate two of the simplest teachings of Christ, one being "Judge not unrighteously, lest ye be judged with the same judgement," and the other being "love thine enemy, bless them that curse you, do good to them that spitefully use you and persecute you." Even Jesus talked about such people when he said "they draw near to me with their lips but their hearts are far from me," and talked about how false priests and prophets would enter the fold and draw people away from Christ.
I can't speak for anyone else but I look at Pat Robertson every time he opens his mouth like this and know that he is not speaking as a Christian. The reason being is that he statements violate two of the simplest teachings of Christ, one being "Judge not unrighteously, lest ye be judged with the same judgement," and the other being "love thine enemy, bless them that curse you, do good to them that spitefully use you and persecute you." Even Jesus talked about such people when he said "they draw near to me with their lips but their hearts are far from me," and talked about how false priests and prophets would enter the fold and draw people away from Christ.
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I admit you got a chuckle out of me on that. Being a non-believer as well, even we have our own X who don't agree with our personal philosophies and thus assign them for a thorough douching, too. It's all a cesspool.
Goodness knows about 50% of the time I can't stand Hitchens. But I can't remember the last time I heard someone say that no true non-believer would do X or Y. :)
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I sure hope you said that tongue-in-cheek. Schism fallout is not a pretty sight. Ask the Cathars. :PSee, I read this and I think: What IS the mainstream view of Christianity? And who gets to decide? And how the heck are non-Christians supposed to know who gets to be a "Christian"? I'm forever seeing the excuse "Well he's not a REAL Christian." I'd like to see the guidelines/panel that get to decide.
It is my sincerest prayer that non-Christians who see his messages do not believe that is the mainstream view of Christianity.It's a serious problem so far as I can see. I am constantly told that X or Y is not a True Christian (TM). So far as I can tell, this is an empty term that applies to whoever the speaker does not like or feels embarrassed by.
By that standard, I declare the Pope to be a non-Christian. Let's throw in anybody who doesn't heartily support same-sex marriage, non-procreative sex, women as priests, abortion on demand, and the abolition of the tax-exempt status of churches. While we're at it, let's also include anybody who does the opposite of all of those things. People who opposed the proposed Ugandan law to execute homosexuals are not True Christian (TM). So are those who favored it. And I could easily dig up self-identified Christians to ratify each judgment.
Surely you see the problem. Either all are True Christian (TM) or none are. Since nobody seems to have the authority to police the name, you're stuck. (The Bible can hardly be of any use, since it's the origin of most of the disagreements and any particular use of it is in itself a theological claim that could be disputed.) But this non-believer has a solution: drop the stuff about who is and isn't a True...
Wikipedia sure has made you smart Samnell. When I grow up I want to be just like you.
Wikipedia sure has made you smart Samnell. When I grow up I want to be just like you.
How about addressing the issue instead of just throwing snide remarks around?
The man is a disgrace to Christians everywhere.
No need to be clannish about it--he's a disgrace to human beings everywhere.
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No need to be clannish about it--he's a disgrace to human beings everywhere.
Agreed. The man elicits a facepalm almost every time he opens his mouth.
And considering that the Christian religion encompasses a ridiculously large number of sects, doctrines, dogmas, and creeds, I think it's safe to say that his own bat***t ideas don't represent the beliefs of any meaningful percentage of Christians.
One more thing; what I find possibly the most unsettling about his remarks are the notion that the success of a slave revolt required the intervention of the Devil. Apparently, in Pat Robertson's mind, God liked the idea of an oppressive island nation fueled by African and Indian slave labor. He left it to a being of PURE EVIL to pick up the slack and free some slaves. Then, peeved at the audacity of a group of people to try and earn their freedom, Pat Robertson's God smote the impoverished island nation of free men and women with an earthquake. A few hundred years later. Yeah. That'll show those descendants of people who fought an oppressive plantation system.
Regarding Christians measuring up other Christians, this is how I take it:
When saying these things (he's a bad example of a Christian, and so on) Christians are asserting that they hold themselves to a higher standard, and there is nothing wrong with that. Sadly, the truth is, that often they are really thinking they are better, when in fact they are the same as everyone, for good or bad. Non-Christians, when they hear these statements, naturally pick up on the implied superiority.
So, as a great pastor once said to me, we need to look at what we really mean, in our hearts, when we say shit like this.
Really, he did say shit. The guy was a crazy ass food kitchen working, cussing, kORN listening, Harley riding Presbyterian pastor. His was one of the few congregations where I wasn't eventually 'uninvited'.
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The man is a disgrace to Christians everywhere.No need to be clannish about it--he's a disgrace to human beings everywhere.
Still being a bit closed about it. How about a disgrace to sapient beings everywhere?
Or if we want to be particularly exclusionary sentient beings and let the animals get in on the condemnation? Bit tough on the plants, though.
Jut imagining a view of Heaven with God covering his eyes going "Oh, Me! Not this guy again. Are you sure I can't smite people nowadays? Just a little one." ;-)
... Bit tough on the plants, though....
I've met some decent ferns.
I think the most non-Christian part of his screed* is that he blames a Satanic pact the Hatians made at the time of their revolution for their woes. To me this assertion rests on two very shaky posits.
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- The Hatians needed supernatural help to revolt (Did our Founding Fathers do the same? Sounds like the next Dan Brown novel)
- The entire population is cursed by the actions of a few over 200-odd-years ago (this is as asinine as the 'blood curse' quote from Matthew 27:24-25 that anti-Semites interpret as cursing the Jewish people).
*In the interests of full disclosure IANAC (I am not a Christian).
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I like how they don't give you the context of those statements, which Rush did not mke, just for the record. In fact if you go to Rush's website at the very top of the page is a link to donate to the Red Cross for Haiti relief. Here is Rush's actual remarks on Haiti and Pres. Obama.
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I like how they don't give you the context of those statements, which Rush did not mke, just for the record.
It's funny, "taken out of context" has to be the new political phrase now to get out of saying half-assed, stupid things. Yeah right, using the deaths of thousands to make some snarky political statements... oh what a martyr.
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Wikipedia sure has made you smart Samnell. When I grow up I want to be just like you.How about addressing the issue instead of just throwing snide remarks around?
What issue the man is a disgrace to human beings and this country. Trying to blow it out of porportion and attack Christians in general because of it is just poor taste.
I like how they don't give you the context of those statements, which Rush did not mke, just for the record. In fact if you go to Rush's website at the very top of the page is a link to donate to the Red Cross for Haiti relief. Here is Rush's actual remarks on Haiti and Pres. Obama.
Yeaaaaah, I'm not sure the transcript bails him out much.
What issue the man is a disgrace to human beings and this country. Trying to blow it out of porportion and attack Christians in general because of it is just poor taste.Wikipedia sure has made you smart Samnell. When I grow up I want to be just like you.How about addressing the issue instead of just throwing snide remarks around?
Who made an attack on-
You know what, nevermind.
Yes, I think in the Haiti earthquake, ladies and gentlemen -- in the words of Rahm Emanuel -- we have another crisis simply too good to waste. This will play right into Obama's hands. He's humanitarian, compassionate. They'll use this to burnish their, shall we say, "credibility" with the black community -- in the both light-skinned and dark-skinned black community in this country. It's made-to-order for them. That's why he couldn't wait to get out there, could not wait to get out there.
- Rush Limbaugh
Rush is still a f@!&ing nut job but at least he doesn’t hide his racist hate behind the Bible.
Hey, look! A squirrel!
And it's not on fire!
Hey, look! A squirrel!
And it's not on fire!
I can remedy that.
Danny Glover says Mother Nature is pissed that the climate summit was a ridiculous failure.
What a moron.
Linky
Damn people, I'll show them!
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Danny Glover says Mother Nature is pissed that the climate summit was a ridiculous failure.
What a moron.
LinkyDamn people, I'll show them!
I actually feel like reading his comments has made me dumber.
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I actually feel like reading his comments has made me dumber.Danny Glover says Mother Nature is pissed that the climate summit was a ridiculous failure.
What a moron.
LinkyDamn people, I'll show them!
I could not view them. Big gap in the middle of the article.
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I could not view them. Big gap in the middle of the article.I actually feel like reading his comments has made me dumber.Danny Glover says Mother Nature is pissed that the climate summit was a ridiculous failure.
What a moron.
LinkyDamn people, I'll show them!
That's for an embedded video where the moronic comments are made.
Danny Glover says Mother Nature is pissed that the climate summit was a ridiculous failure.
What a moron.
LinkyDamn people, I'll show them!
Well, at least he isn't a spiritual or religious leader of any kind, so his comments aren't supposed to represent the views of other people. Unless of course there's some kind of political party or religious following centered around the lethal weapon series. I'd google it to find out, but frankly I have little enough faith in humanity as is. I'd like to hold on to what I've got left.
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Well, at least he isn't a spiritual or religious leader of any kind, so his comments aren't supposed to represent the views of other people. Unless of course there's some kind of political party or religious following centered around the lethal weapon series. I'd google it to find out, but frankly I have little enough faith in humanity as is. I'd like to hold on to what I've got left.Danny Glover says Mother Nature is pissed that the climate summit was a ridiculous failure.
What a moron.
LinkyDamn people, I'll show them!
I don't know if this counts, but thanks to some friends of mine, every time I hear that crappy La Bouche song "Be My Lover", I mentally replace the words of the chorus with "Be Danny Glover"
I must confess
Girl, yes, I wanna be Danny Glover
Well, at least he isn't a spiritual or religious leader of any kind, so his comments aren't supposed to represent the views of other people. Unless of course there's some kind of political party or religious following centered around the lethal weapon series. I'd google it to find out, but frankly I have little enough faith in humanity as is. I'd like to hold on to what I've got left.Danny Glover says Mother Nature is pissed that the climate summit was a ridiculous failure.
What a moron.
LinkyDamn people, I'll show them!
Oh please. Celebrities act as they were the Mouthpiece of Truth™ all the time and people lap it up as if it were gospel. Especially when it comes to the dreaded global climate change.
Yeah, right now I'm using a library computer that blocks video. It totally sucks.
What if you need video to do research?
...forget it.