Moronic move. 'Reboot' a series that's only 8 years old?
Suspect thats a 'House of Mouse' decision..prepare for the worst people
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This has nothing to do with Disney. Sony Pictures currently licenses the rights to past and future Spider-Man films. It was a decision made by Sony after Raimi said he could not produce the film by the intended release date and uphold the creative integrity of the film at the same time. Basically, Raimi wanted to take the time to make sure we'd get to see an awesome movie and left the project after Sony told him they wouldn't give him any more time.
Sony has chosen to replace Raimi and start the fourth (or rather first) Spider-Man movie back at square one. Robert Pattinson will play Peter Parker...
Ha ha. I totally made that part up to scare you.
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A reboot may not be a terrible thing. The third Fantastic Four may also be a reboot and we've already seen a Hulk reboot inside of five years. Overall, the 2008 Hulk was a much better superhero film and falls in line with Marvel's shared universe plan for their in-house movies.
Maybe this time around Gwen'll get dropped off that bridge?
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Overall, the 2008 Hulk was a much better superhero film and falls in line with Marvel's shared universe plan for their in-house movies.
Agreed, the second Hulk fit better into the continuity. The fight scene with the other enhanced dude (before he went all abominable) was pretty sweet, as well.
But the first movie had Jennifer Conelly, who is much sexier than Liv Tyler with her enormous man-hands! Plus, I think Eric Bana was a better Banner than that dude who hasn't acted anything but bored since Fight Club.
If only every single second of Nick Nolte's over the top performance could be erased from my memory, I might even be able to watch it again...
I would like to see Spiderman firmly under the Marvel banner. Maybe with Disney's money backing them up, Marvel could find a way to get control over their own property.
The idea of going back to Peter Parker'schooldays seems a terrible idea to me! I certainly won't be seeing it, but 2012 is a long way off! No more reboots either! I might need to reboot my own life.
Hello by the way- this is my first post on these messageboards- I have been meaining to do it for months.
Moronic move. 'Reboot' a series that's only 8 years old?You'd prefer what Fox did to X-Men 3, and just push ahead without the main creative force?
No, what I would 'prefer' is for Marvel to pull it's licenses and have creative control over all future Marvel based movies.
Yeah, yeah legal blah blah blah can't do it blah blah blah, I know, but that's what I would 'prefer'.
A reboot may not be a terrible thing. The third Fantastic Four may also be a reboot and we've already seen a Hulk reboot inside of five years. Overall, the 2008 Hulk was a much better superhero film and falls in line with Marvel's shared universe plan for their in-house movies.
Maybe this time around Gwen'll get dropped off that bridge?
Incredible Hulk reboot? What? There was no 2003 Hulk movie, therefore no reboot.
Funny, Sunday's paper had an article that said that everything was going swimmingly with the Raimi/McGuire Spider-man 4. It was actually an interview with Toby.
It was pretty dark. It was a good flick though.
No it wasn't. Topher Grace as Venom wasn't the problem though. The problem was a disjointed story with too many villains percolating about it. You'd think the studio might learn from the mistakes of other franchises like Batman but no...
It was pretty dark. It was a good flick though.Don't know, I've not seen all of it. Still can't handle Eric Foreman as Venom.My concern is that we're going to get a dark gothic spiderman reboot.That was Spider-Man 3 wasn't it?
Blasphemy!!!!
Spider-man 3 was an abomination! Sorry, but eye-liner, your hair over one eye, and a change to a black wardrobe does NOT make you evil, and does NOT make you a badass. It just makes you look like a whiny little emo kid.
As much of a fan of Topher Grace that I am, he was crap as Venom. Eddie Brock was built, and he was a CRIMINAL.
James Franco's Hobgoblin was terrible.
Sandman, really? Sandman? By that jerk from Sideways no less.
Spider-man 3 was one of the saddest days of my life, I was looking forward to Raimi and McGuire recapturing the awesomeness of the first two.
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Hi, Nick, and welcome to the Paizo boards. It's Lilith who hands out cookies, and she might be around shortly. I've tried my hand at cookies myself, and that didn't go so well, but here's a little bowl of chocolate-covered hamsters. They're cute, make adorable little squeaking sounds, and taste delicious. It's a full-on sensory treat.
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The recent Hulk was something of a reboot, yes, but the storytellers wisely spent very little time on the Hulk's origin, and got to the meat of the story quickly. That is, it didn't really contradict a lot of the first movie, but rather ignored it.
To be honest, I'm tired of superhero films that spend the first half-hour presenting the main character's origin. I understand why, from a characterization perspective, but it would be nice to present the character, already having come to grips with his or her abilities, as the baseline, and move on from there.
To be honest, I'm tired of superhero films that spend the first half-hour presenting the main character's origin. I understand why, from a characterization perspective, but it would be nice to present the character, already having come to grips with his or her abilities, as the baseline, and move on from there.
For me, that exception would have been Nolan's first Batman reboot. I actually appreciated the character's origin and how the BBEG was eventually involved full-circle.
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To be honest, I'm tired of superhero films that spend the first half-hour presenting the main character's origin. I understand why, from a characterization perspective, but it would be nice to present the character, already having come to grips with his or her abilities, as the baseline, and move on from there.
Agreed, but from a marketing standpoint it limits your audience to people already familiar with the character. If you give an abriviated version of their origin story it opens up the movie to a broader audience.
Agreed, but from a marketing standpoint it limits your audience to people already familiar with the character. If you give an abriviated version of their origin story it opens up the movie to a broader audience.
To be honest, I'm tired of superhero films that spend the first half-hour presenting the main character's origin. I understand why, from a characterization perspective, but it would be nice to present the character, already having come to grips with his or her abilities, as the baseline, and move on from there.
Considering the first Spider-Man movie is still pretty new, I think the next Spider-Man flick can bypass the origin.
All this fuss over the Vulture, wow, Rami could have picked a worse villan like Hammerhead or Mysterio.
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Agreed, but from a marketing standpoint it limits your audience to people already familiar with the character. If you give an abriviated version of their origin story it opens up the movie to a broader audience.
To be honest, I'm tired of superhero films that spend the first half-hour presenting the main character's origin. I understand why, from a characterization perspective, but it would be nice to present the character, already having come to grips with his or her abilities, as the baseline, and move on from there.
And with Spider-man his getting his powers are part of his rite of passage (Uncle Ben).
Green Arrow you could do in the opening credits, just by showing newspapers and clips of him having crashed, learning to shoot to survive, being rescued and then start the actual movie with him walking into the office with his secretary saying "Good morning Mr Queen" or with thugs trying to break into a Queen Industries warehouse and Green Arrow stopping them. (As an example)
Actually if they reboot Superman (again) they could do the same thing.
I think they're doing Thor correctly by putting him in Asgard. A good Wonder Woman movie would start on Paradise Island, either with Diana earning the Wonder Woman/Ambassador to Man's world or with Diana stealing the WW garb and exploring Man's world. Either way, the hard part would be to avoid male bashing all the way through.
Any word on who's going to play Wonder Woman? Hard to replace the iconic one from the '70's. Hubba Hubba. ;)
Agreed, but from a marketing standpoint it limits your audience to people already familiar with the character. If you give an abriviated version of their origin story it opens up the movie to a broader audience.
To be honest, I'm tired of superhero films that spend the first half-hour presenting the main character's origin. I understand why, from a characterization perspective, but it would be nice to present the character, already having come to grips with his or her abilities, as the baseline, and move on from there.And with Spider-man his getting his powers are part of his rite of passage (Uncle Ben).
Green Arrow you could do in the opening credits, just by showing newspapers and clips of him having crashed, learning to shoot to survive, being rescued and then start the actual movie with him walking into the office with his secretary saying "Good morning Mr Queen" or with thugs trying to break into a Queen Industries warehouse and Green Arrow stopping them. (As an example)
Actually if they reboot Superman (again) they could do the same thing.
I think they're doing Thor correctly by putting him in Asgard. A good Wonder Woman movie would start on Paradise Island, either with Diana earning the Wonder Woman/Ambassador to Man's world or with Diana stealing the WW garb and exploring Man's world. Either way, the hard part would be to avoid male bashing all the way through.
Superman wasn't a reboot it was a sequel, that along with the acting and story is why is really sucked.
Superman wasn't a reboot it was a sequel, that along with the acting and story is why is really sucked.
Him hanging outside of Lois' window ever too frequently made him come across like a lonely stalker to me.
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I still can't get past how dense Lois is. I mean it doesn't take the World's Greatest Detective to link that Clark and Superman both leave Metropolis at the same time, and then they show back up at the same time, equals they might be the same person.
Well it's like Jim Gorden/Batman. He has to know that Bruce = Batman. And even now, it shouldn't take much of a leap to know that Dick = Batman Likewise, Deathstroke and the Riddler should know Bruce = Batman. Depending on who's writing either of them, they'd not brodcast that info.
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... Likewise, Deathstroke and the Riddler should know Bruce = Batman. Depending on who's writing either of them, they'd not brodcast that info.
The Riddler does know Bruce's secret, yes? (But letting other people in on the secret would be like telling riddles everybody's already heard.)
Then again, I had been under the impression that the Stephanie Brown was dead and Leslie Thompkins, who had let her die, was exiled to Africa.
The fluid nature of what's considered canon, is the main cause of my disillusionment with Legion of Superheroes continuity.
Concerning the 'origin' topic:
Why do superhero flicks seem to have special rules assigned that other action movies don't? Most action films simply jump into the story and maybe do a flash back or two if it's important to the current predicament. Heck, even in the comics they don't usually get into the character's origins until issues or years into the story.
And why not have more than one villain in a movie? Most mainstream action movies have several villains plying to be the one that takes out the good guy; besides most comic book super villains are pretty much just thugs with super powers and that's how they should be treated on the big screen--not everyone needs a deep and compelling back story--sometimes they're just there to get their butts kicked by the good guys; which is ok by me because that's what happens in the comics and every other action movie I've ever seen.
Just to throw an example out there: Dare Devil would have been a waayyy better movie if they hadn't of slowed things down with an origin story. I would have been ok with a flash back or having Matt Murdock simply explaining what happened through dialogue.
Hello by the way- this is my first post on these messageboards- I have been meaining to do it for months.
Hi nick! Welcome to the boards, enjoy your stay! *offers virtual cookies*
Superman wasn't a reboot it was a sequel, that along with the acting and story is why is really sucked.
I think you're being really unfair to the script and the direction, which also sucked.
Well, given as how badly Spiderman 3 sucked, I'm glad there won't be a 4th.
It's amazing how Bryan Singer killed two birds with one stone. Now he wants to re-embrace the X-Men franchise? Too bad...
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Then again, I had been under the impression that the Stephanie Brown was dead and Leslie Thompkins, who had let her die, was exiled to Africa.
Nah turns out that Leslie Thompkins helped Stephanie Brown fake her death and took her to Africa with her so that she could get away from the entire capes thing. Stephanie decides to return to Gotham and eventually becomes the new Batgirl
... Likewise, Deathstroke and the Riddler should know Bruce = Batman. Depending on who's writing either of them, they'd not brodcast that info.The Riddler does know Bruce's secret, yes? (But letting other people in on the secret would be like telling riddles everybody's already heard.)
Then again, I had been under the impression that the Stephanie Brown was dead and Leslie Thompkins, who had let her die, was exiled to Africa.
The fluid nature of what's considered canon, is the main cause of my disillusionment with Legion of Superheroes continuity.
So you want them to reboot a series that's only 8 years old.No, what I would 'prefer' is for Marvel to pull it's licenses and have creative control over all future Marvel based movies.
Yeah, yeah legal blah blah blah can't do it blah blah blah, I know, but that's what I would 'prefer'.
That doesn't follow at all, not unless Raimi and Maguire were somehow contracted exclusively with Sony/Columbia Pictures. It's not Marvel rebooting as far as I can tell, but Sony's Columbia Pictures.
I have no idea if Marvel would reboot Spider-Man or not if the rights devolved, but given the success of the first 3 Spider-Man movies, I'd like to think Marvel might give Raimi and Maguire the chance to keep on with the franchise if a better schedule could be worked out.
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I feel really bad for John Malkovich. I hear he was so excited about playing The Vulture, he was recently apprehended for stealing purses dressed in a set of green footie pajamas while screeching and waving a pair of feather dusters.
Malkovich was on the short list of actors to play the Green Goblin in the first movie. Maybe they'll ask him to come back for the reboot? Though, I'd rather see a villain we haven't seen in any of the previous movies. Like, I don't know, the first villain Spider-Man ever fought, The Chameleon.
That's a shame. Malkovich would rule. Period.
So you want them to reboot a series that's only 8 years old.No, what I would 'prefer' is for Marvel to pull it's licenses and have creative control over all future Marvel based movies.
Yeah, yeah legal blah blah blah can't do it blah blah blah, I know, but that's what I would 'prefer'.
Where did I say they should go back and do all new origin movies negating the previous films? Hold on lemme check. No, not there... Mmmmno not there either. I'm personally pretty sick of reboots.
What I said was Marvel should regain creative control over their stories. That does not make it necessary to go back and change all that has already been done.
Well, given as how badly Spiderman 3 sucked, I'm glad there won't be a 4th.
I actually don't mind SM3, it's at least watchable. As Spider-Man movies go, it's not the story I would have made, or liked to have seen, but it's OK. As superhero movies go, it was better than a lot of them. I'd rather watch SM3 than most of what's out there. Just my opinion.
Sorry, but eye-liner, your hair over one eye, and a change to a black wardrobe does NOT make you evil, and does NOT make you a badass. It just makes you look like a whiny little emo kid.
Heh. Actually I thought that was funny. Of course it doesn't make you a badass, but it might be something that someone like Peter Parker would think would make him look like a badass.
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Sorry, but eye-liner, your hair over one eye, and a change to a black wardrobe does NOT make you evil, and does NOT make you a badass. It just makes you look like a whiny little emo kid.Heh. Actually I thought that was funny. Of course it doesn't make you a badass, but it might be something that someone like Peter Parker would think would make him look like a badass.
+1.
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Maybe we can get a Peter Parker who, despite the ongoing tragedy of his life, is actually a fairly upbeat guy, unlike the near-suicidal depression of movieSpidey.
Maybe we can get a Mary Jane who's a gorgeous, fun, life of the party type of a girl, instead of the dour joyless dead weight of movieMJ.
The poor casting, worse direction, and horrible writing for the two leads has made the Raimi movies a mere pale shadow of what they COULD have been.
If I were in charge, I WOULD make some alterations from the comics, though. I'd have MJ be the girl that Peter meets first, and falls in love with, while Gwen is on the side as a girl he went out with a few times. Osborne would kill MJ instead of Gwen. But it wouldn't happen in the first movie. Let's face it, for the death to have the kind of emotional impact it should have, it needs to be somewhat unexpected, and it needs to be a character we've actually gotten to know somewhat. Everyone expects Gwen to die and MJ to live...so they should mix that up.
I'd also avoid doing an origin story for Spidey...everyone knows how he became Spidey, there's no point in spending the first half of film #1 re-telling the story. Just jump into the action. Introduce Spidey to the viewer by having him defeat a minor villain. Shocker would be a good one. Have Osborne in the first movie, but don't make the Goblin the main villain...just a villain that Peter meets and fights. Main villain could be Doc Ock or somebody. Osborne's time will come as the true villain of the trilogy (or more...)
No Venom. Evil twin characters are lame. (Yes, Carnage is lame squared).
No, he needs to get married to MJ and then sell his marriage and and unborn child to the devil in order to save Aunt May. =P