Immortality...charm/dominate...The ability to sparkle in sunlight...
That SO charms emo high school girls...
I haven't really seen a compelling presentation of Werewolves yet.
As long as it takes $200 to dress up a guy in goth clothes and crappy makeup vs the thousands of dollars it takes to create a decent (and believable) werewolf movie of course you wont see many werewolf films when compared with vampires and of course most of them will be bad (wolfman looks awesome though).
Anyway, my vote is for werewolves. Vampires have just become to cliche due to an abundance of female novelists and a crappy book/movie set (seriously the only book I liked in Twilight was New moon and only because it makes Edward disappear for most of it). If we one day get back to the days of Vampires being rare and awesome like the original Dracula then I might change my mind
Vampires...so long as they don't sparkle. Vampires should not twinkle when sunlight hits them; they should burst into flame.
I haven't really seen a compelling presentation of Werewolves yet.As long as it takes $200 to dress up a guy in goth clothes and crappy makeup vs the thousands of dollars it takes to create a decent (and believable) werewolf movie of course you wont see many werewolf films when compared with vampires and of course most of them will be bad (wolfman looks awesome though).
Anyway, my vote is for werewolves. Vampires have just become to cliche due to an abundance of female novelists and a crappy book/movie set (seriously the only book I liked in Twilight was New moon and only because it makes Edward disappear for most of it). If we one day get back to the days of Vampires being rare and awesome like the original Dracula then I might change my mind
Blame Mark Rein-Haggen for the emo vamps and Bram Stoker for the gentleman vamps because before them vampires and werewolves were interchangable in folk lore.
they should burst into flame.A friend says Hollywood made that up, but I say otherwise. It is a fun argument though.
Well, Stoker's Dracula could walk in daylight, and the folklore I've read doesn't preclude vampires from going abroad during the day, they just prefer the night. Still, if it is just an invention for film, it's a pretty good one.
SS Werewolves are more interesting.
Unless they are led by a SS Vampire?
Double the evil at half the price. Good for a WWII era monster-killer beatdown.
Sounds all City of Heroes, with the Fifth Column (led by vampire SS officers, with lts. that would turn into 'warwolves').
Yay for City of Heroes!!!
I may be the only person here who has actually read the Twilight series (and I liked it); anyway the wolves were pretty awesome in the books, the 'pack mentality' and 'imprinting' is pretty novel IMO. I liked Jacob more than Edward in the books, and I tend to root for the werewolves over vampires whenever the two bump heads.
What I think makes werewolves more appealing than vampires is that werewolves are about 'life' where as vampires are 'death'. Werewolves are about 'unleashing' ones inner power while being a vampire seems to be about 'holding back' and hiding in the shadows. I just like the 'in your face’ attitude that werewolves seem to champion.
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You know, in the original myth vampire is created when werewolf dies and rises from the grave. Well, not from the grave, exactly. When werewolf doesn't get burned after death, he becomes vampire.So, what you're saying is, werewolves are so cool while they're alive they become vampires to make up for their coolness in life?
Originally, werewolves were not slavering stupid brutes. They were warlocks who could transform themselves into wolves, and had other powers as well. The idea of savage werewolf is of later date and from other culture. Original werewolves and vampires were from Slav mythology. In pre-Christian times wolf was sort of totem animal to what are now South Slavs.
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With all the love of werewolves aroung here, doesn't it seem odd that there are so few published adventures that focus on our lycanthropic friends?
Wererats tend to be used quite often (typically as cannon fodder), but the king of lycanthropes, the werewolf, tends to get short shrift. I wonder why that is?
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I may be the only person here who has actually read the Twilight series (and I liked it); anyway the wolves were pretty awesome in the books, the 'pack mentality' and 'imprinting' is pretty novel IMO. I liked Jacob more than Edward in the books, and I tend to root for the werewolves over vampires whenever the two bump heads.
What I think makes werewolves more appealing than vampires is that werewolves are about 'life' where as vampires are 'death'. Werewolves are about 'unleashing' ones inner power while being a vampire seems to be about 'holding back' and hiding in the shadows. I just like the 'in your face’ attitude that werewolves seem to champion.
But don't so quick to assume you are the only person who likes the books, I have read all four, own the first two, and am currently re-reading the first. The movie was kind of boring though.
With all the love of werewolves aroung here, doesn't it seem odd that there are so few published adventures that focus on our lycanthropic friends?
Wererats tend to be used quite often (typically as cannon fodder), but the king of lycanthropes, the werewolf, tends to get short shrift. I wonder why that is?
Simple, we are smart enough to stay out of the adventurer's way while we slowly build up our lycanthropic army...
And were-dire bats make for cooler vampires...
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Werewolves, in game, have some pretty unexiting abilities for a campaign villain. Giving them some more mystical traits, such as having the ability to pull the 'wolf' out of themselves and manifest at as a fiendish dire wolf or something and send it to attack foes, might jazz up a werewolf big bad guy.
Command of other wild beasts (or other natural primal forces) might even fit the werewolf better than it does the vampire. Having the werewolf function less like the monster template from the book and more like a shapeshift druid with a dire wolf animal companion or something could make for an interesting bad guy, leading a savage nature-cult that pretty much dominates the local area could be fun.
Yeah, the werewolf needs work, both in game and in culture. I hope Classic Horrors Revisited does something about this.
Bah, werewolves are a bunch of tree-huggers.
Bah, werewolves are a bunch of tree-huggers.
And vamps are just neck biters.
Vampres more than rule werewolves when they're doen probably... Anne Rice novels, anyone? Most serious or/and Twilight-predating vampire fiction?
From those sources vampires defintely bests werewolves to me.
Twilight and other similars: Werewolves would best vampires IF these where the only sources of vampires. Good for me, they're not.
I have a strong Twilight dislike myself, but well some people likes it. It's a question of taste I guess.
I think (proper) vampires best werewolves, yet this is also a question of taste.
But well, as this is a question of what is most likeable to me: Vampires. My understanding of "Vampire" can best be derived from the Vampire Chronicles, Anne Rice.
But okay, honest, maybe part of the reason is I would rather meet a vampire than a werewolf in some dark alley. Much rather...
Vampres more than rule werewolves when they're doen probably... Anne Rice novels, anyone? Most serious or/and Twilight-predating vampire fiction?
From those sources vampires defintely bests werewolves to me.
Twilight and other similars: Werewolves would best vampires IF these where the only sources of vampires. Good for me, they're not.
I have a strong Twilight dislike myself, but well some people likes it. It's a question of taste I guess.
I think (proper) vampires best werewolves, yet this is also a question of taste.
But well, as this is a question of what is most likeable to me: Vampires. My understanding of "Vampire" can best be derived from the Vampire Chronicles, Anne Rice.
But okay, honest, maybe part of the reason is I would rather meet a vampire than a werewolf in some dark alley. Much rather...
I've read every Anne Rice vamp book. My question is: what makes those vamps "proper" and not the Twilight vampires?
People just seem a little hung up over the glittery thing (which I was to until I actually read the books). My main point is that there is actually little that is 'nice' or 'cuddly' about the vampires in Twilight--they're actually pretty brutal and some of them develop some pretty sweet powers outside the norm. Plus the way they become vampires is actually way more hard core than the vast majority of vampire stories I've read. Twilight vamps are just as "vampy" as any other.
I may be the only person here who has actually read the Twilight series (and I liked it)
I read them all, as well (at my wife's coaxing), and enjoyed them. Though, technically, in the books, I believe they were more wolf shape shifters than actual werewolves.
And yes, i too love the Lycans.
Vampres more than rule werewolves when they're doen probably... Anne Rice novels, anyone? Most serious or/and Twilight-predating vampire fiction?
From those sources vampires defintely bests werewolves to me.
Twilight and other similars: Werewolves would best vampires IF these where the only sources of vampires. Good for me, they're not.
I have a strong Twilight dislike myself, but well some people likes it. It's a question of taste I guess.
I think (proper) vampires best werewolves, yet this is also a question of taste.
But well, as this is a question of what is most likeable to me: Vampires. My understanding of "Vampire" can best be derived from the Vampire Chronicles, Anne Rice.
But okay, honest, maybe part of the reason is I would rather meet a vampire than a werewolf in some dark alley. Much rather...
I've read every Anne Rice vamp book. My question is: what makes those vamps "proper" and not the Twilight vampires?
People just seem a little hung up over the glittery thing (which I was to until I actually read the books). My main point is that there is actually little that is 'nice' or 'cuddly' about the vampires in Twilight--they're actually pretty brutal and some of them develop some pretty sweet powers outside the norm. Plus the way they become vampires is actually way more hard core than the vast majority of vampire stories I've read. Twilight vamps are just as "vampy" as any other.
As I said I'm not opposed to people who like it. The way I see those books and/or movies they work as a love story. But they just don't make me think "vampire-awesomeness". I guess I'm a bit prejudiced due to my like of the classic ancient style vampire.
And I guess that the fact of those books/movies being so very focused on what to me seems like over-tragedic love story does put me off. Sure, so much vampire fiction is. But honestly I've not been subjected to any that felt like it was more love story than so many other things.Honestly I never read them. Tried. The writing didn't work to me. I just couldn't enjoy it the way I liek to with books. And well, recently I'm not into vampires... think I have been amazed as much as I can be by that subject and moved on to other things...
But even my "real" vampires of course still beats werewolves any day (to me).
I'm so very sorry if I annoyed your favourite books. I just can't enjoy them. Feel free to do it in my place. I won't object.
Is this turning into a define what is more "vampire"? thread... I guess partially. I must admit I feel a slight annoyance with myself for helping that along. I don't want to have to tell people a thousand times that something I say is my opinion about how vampires is and nothing more.
Edit: Oh and the nice, cuddly, glimmering stuff isn't my problem in itself. I already got the feeling that those twilight vamps had enough hard core to them. What I notice is that they to me totally miss what makes me feel that vampires are great. I can't define it very well, although in vague terms it includes (but is not limited to) a sophisticated form of violence and distance to the world around, as well as a deep tragedy that just doesn't work to me if it's not done the way I like. Oh, yes, I'm subjective and only read what I like - stop me from being so? No please.
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Ugh.
The word, lycan, is like fingernails scraping the blackboard of my brain.
It pains me even to type it. I like the underworld movies well enough but their enfussion of that word into the culture requires penance.
On a different note - someone mentioned werewolves and nazis.
Robert R. McCammon's "The Wolf's Hour" features a Werewolf fighting for the Allies against the Nazis. So-so book but very cool premise and, as it was published in 1989, was a bit ahead of its time with a protoganist werewolf who was mostly in control of his other form.
But even my "real" vampires of course still beats werewolves any day (to me).
But aren't "real" vampires stuck in coffins filled with dirt from their home land during the day, sleeping? Werewolves during the day seem to have the advantage...
But even my "real" vampires of course still beats werewolves any day (to me).But aren't "real" vampires stuck in coffins filled with dirt from their home land during the day, sleeping? Werewolves during the day seem to have the advantage...
What about werewolves and the 'full moon' thing?
But even my "real" vampires of course still beats werewolves any day (to me).But aren't "real" vampires stuck in coffins filled with dirt from their home land during the day, sleeping? Werewolves during the day seem to have the advantage...
So...what is Little Kiba's hybrid form?
Werewolves.
What about werewolves and the 'full moon' thing?
True, in folklore they usually can only transform during a full moon. But they are not asleep during the day, and thus can drive a (wooden) steak through the helpless vampire's heart. Or just open a window and let the sunlight warm the vampire's body... by causing it to burst into flames! Bwahaha!
My hybrid form is the same as any other underaged werewolf lord demigod.
Fishy, bring that crap in the water fuzzy or you twinkle. Mr. Fishy is waiting.
My hybrid form is the same as any other underaged werewolf lord demigod.
I only ask because it's the one form we haven't seen as your avatar.
My hybrid form is the same as any other underaged werewolf lord demigod.I only ask because it's the one form we haven't seen as your avatar.
I am Little Kiba's dad. Sorry about the confusion.
Fishy, bring that crap in the water fuzzy or you twinkle. Mr. Fishy is waiting.
Little Kiba notices that Mr. Fishy twinkles. Little Kiba tips over Mr. Fishy's fish bowl.
"Sorry, I couldn't hear you while you were underwater. Would you mind repeating yourself?"
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Ugh.
The word, lycan, is like fingernails scraping the blackboard of my brain.
It pains me even to type it. I like the underworld movies well enough but their enfussion of that word into the culture requires penance.
On a different note - someone mentioned werewolves and nazis.
Robert R. McCammon's "The Wolf's Hour" features a Werewolf fighting for the Allies against the Nazis. So-so book but very cool premise and, as it was published in 1989, was a bit ahead of its time with a protoganist werewolf who was mostly in control of his other form.
I loved "The Wolf's Hour." I thought it was a solid read. Although, I like most of McCammon's stuff. If you're of a vampire bent, check out "They Thirst." You won't be disappointed.
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I loved "The Wolf's Hour." I thought it was a solid read. Although, I like most of McCammon's stuff. If you're of a vampire bent, check out "They Thirst." You won't be disappointed.
I liked it well enough, but I thought it was just a little too long in places (though its been almost ten years since I last read it so I may be misremembering). I've read almost all of McCammon's stuff and generally like him much better than King. "Stinger" and "Usher's Passing" in particular are favorites of mine.
EDIT: I say I like McCammon better than King but a comparison of 'They Thirst' and 'Salem's Lot' is one of the exceptions. But then I think Salem's Lot is probably one of the best things King ever wrote.
I loved "The Wolf's Hour." I thought it was a solid read. Although, I like most of McCammon's stuff. If you're of a vampire bent, check out "They Thirst." You won't be disappointed.
I liked it well enough, but I thought it was just a little too long in places (though its been almost ten years since I last read it so I may be misremembering). I've read almost all of McCammon's stuff and generally like him much better than King. "Stinger" and Usher's Passing" in particular are favorites of mine.
Just stumbled in here...I haven't read McCammon in sometime now. Stinger was an awesome novel!
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Robert R. McCammon's "The Wolf's Hour" features a Werewolf fighting for the Allies against the Nazis. So-so book but very cool premise and, as it was published in 1989, was a bit ahead of its time with a protoganist werewolf who was mostly in control of his other form.
I have never heard of this book before now, but will certainly be looking for it in the near future. Thanks.
GO TEAM WEREWOLF!!!!
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Vampires are so much greater.
Not even close.Looks like Set and I are the only ones right here, all you werewolf fools.
Oh, and the best (maybe only good) werewolf movie is the Jack Nicholson, Michele Pfeifer(sp) movie Wolf.
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Werewolves are dumb brute monsters that can't control themselves. They're just personified rage.
Banal.Vampires are guileful, sexy, intelligent, DYNAMIC characters. Oh, and they have the same strength and capacity for rage as the werewolves do.
See, the problem is, the people IRL who most resemble and personify the werewolf ideal actually ARE tough wooly bastards. The people in IRL who most personify the vampire ideal really mess up my combat boots when I'm stomping them a new mud hole...
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I have never heard of this book before now, but will certainly be looking for it in the near future. Thanks.Robert R. McCammon's "The Wolf's Hour" features a Werewolf fighting for the Allies against the Nazis. So-so book but very cool premise and, as it was published in 1989, was a bit ahead of its time with a protoganist werewolf who was mostly in control of his other form.
Good luck with that. I just looked at the prices for it on Amazon and realized my Paperback copy (first printing) is actually worth a decent chunk of change for a mass-produced paperback.
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Anybody else ever play the GURPS V:tM and W:tA conversions? It's been about 15 years ago, but iirc, the vampire template cost about 100 points and the werewolf template about 200. Pretty much any starting werewolf could utterly shred any starting vampire. FWIW.
Neither. My money is on the homebrew stats for this silver golem.
I take your silver golem and raise you a titanium elemental.
Anybody else ever play the GURPS V:tM and W:tA conversions? It's been about 15 years ago, but iirc, the vampire template cost about 100 points and the werewolf template about 200. Pretty much any starting werewolf could utterly shred any starting vampire. FWIW.
Yep, sure did.
Now, when you hit the high point value stuff, it gets NASTY. Really friggin' nasty. The Gawds themselves help you if a equal point value Mage comes along ... but any GURPS character of high point value worth his salt eventually learns to ramp up that Will attribute.
Werewolves and Vampires - GURPS versions of the Storyteller ones - are pretty kick-ass, without being "stupifyingly unkillable" as they are so oft perceived in Storyteller. One healthy fire bomb takes care of a typical Sabbat enclave.
There's a GOOD reason for the Masquerade and the Delirium in the modern age. Humans, bka Self-Propelled Field Rations, have access to a LOT of Aggravated Damage firepower and are generally more than happy to use it with Extreme Prejudice. 'specially Hunters.
In general, which is more awesome: Werewolves or Vampires?
I have to go with werewolves, even if I ignore the Twilight series (which believe me isn't hard to do). I do like both races' representation in the Mercy Thompson series, however. Now THAT was well done...great book series.
Anyway...werewolves are awesome.
The End.