I was wondering can you choose to use a power attack when you make an attack of opportunity? How about a vital strike can that be used with an attack of opport.?
I heard from someone that you could combine trip with whirlwind attack so that you could attempt to trip everyone in reach(instead of attacking them). If that is true and you have the greater trip feat it seems to make sense that you would then get an attack of opportunity on each person you successfully trip(assuming you can make more then one attack of opport. per round) is that correct?
In the description of the whirlwind feat it reads that you lose all bonuses and extra attacks from feats abilities, spells and abilities. What are the limits of that if any? Does that include losing the damage bonus you get from strength boost due to spells (like bull's strength) or even from the rage class feature? Does that mean you can not power attack with whirlwind? Would you even lose the extra attacks of opportunity from the combat reflexes feat? It reads a bit to broad so I'm not sure, thanks for the feedback, Tony
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I was wondering can you choose to use a power attack when you make an attack of opportunity? How about a vital strike can that be used with an attack of opport.?
I heard from someone that you could combine trip with whirlwind attack so that you could attempt to trip everyone in reach(instead of attacking them). If that is true and you have the greater trip feat it seems to make sense that you would then get an attack of opportunity on each person you successfully trip(assuming you can make more then one attack of opport. per round) is that correct?
In the description of the whirlwind feat it reads that you lose all bonuses and extra attacks from feats abilities, spells and abilities. What are the limits of that if any? Does that include losing the damage bonus you get from strength boost due to spells (like bull's strength) or even from the rage class feature? Does that mean you can not power attack with whirlwind? Would you even lose the extra attacks of opportunity from the combat reflexes feat? It reads a bit to broad so I'm not sure, thanks for the feedback, Tony
OK, let me see if I can go through this, as best I understand them.
Power Attack + Attack of Opportunity: Sure. You have to activate Power Attack before making the attack roll for the AoO, and it stays active until the start of your next turn, including any further AoOs you might be eligible to make, if you have Combat Reflexes, but yes, you can Power Attack when you make an AoO.
Vital Strike + AoO: No. Vital Strike only works when using the "attack action" and an attack of opportunity is not actually defined as an action. Weird, but there it is.
Trip + Whirlwind Attack: I don't think so, but I'm not 100% certain either way. You can use Trip in place of an attack, but I think Whirlwind counts as a full-attack which is different than an attack action. But don't quote me on that.
Whirlwind Attack + Extra attacks: The "extra" attacks that you forfeit when Whirlwind Attack is used are from things like a Haste spell, or a Speed weapon. (If you have BAB +14, for example, and a +3 Speed longsword, your attacks would be +17/+17/+12/+7. That second +17 attack is the "extra" one from the Speed weapon.) You do not lose the bonuses to attack and damage from magical effects, just extra full attacks like those provided by Haste. You don't lose the extra AoOs from Combat Reflexes. You can Power Attack with a Whirlwind Attack, you just can't switch it on or off in between attacks. It's either on for all of them, or none of them.
Anybody else find anything I missed, particularly on the Trip/Whirlwind Attack question?
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As to the real reason you can't use Vital Strike with whirlwind attack, is because Vital Strike is used as an "attack action" which if you look up the different types of standard actions, it's on the list. So a Vital Strike is a standard action, which is also the reason why you cannot cleave and vital strike, because they are both standard actions.
As to trip with whirlwind attack, a trip may be used in place of an attack. So yes, you may trip everyone within your reach with a whirlwind attack. Although I'm fairly certain the way Whirlwind Attack is written, it means you would lose any attacks of opportunity granted by Greater version of improved trip. Although once they try to stand up on their action, you get some AoO's then.
Hope that helps.
As to the real reason you can't use Vital Strike with whirlwind attack, is because Vital Strike is used as an "attack action" which if you look up the different types of standard actions, it's on the list. So a Vital Strike is a standard action, which is also the reason why you cannot cleave and vital strike, because they are both standard actions.
As to trip with whirlwind attack, a trip may be used in place of an attack. So yes, you may trip everyone within your reach with a whirlwind attack. Although I'm fairly certain the way Whirlwind Attack is written, it means you would lose any attacks of opportunity granted by Greater version of improved trip. Although once they try to stand up on their action, you get some AoO's then.
Hope that helps.
thank you both for the input, that clears things up very well.
Reference Vital Strike in PRD: "When you use the attack action, you can make one attack at your highest base attack bonus that deals additional damage."
Only problem I see is this line state when you make an attack you can make on attack at you highest BAB. Aren't all you single attacks at your highest BAB anyways? This kind of makes me think it is referencing a full attack action and Vital Strike only applies on a single attack at you highest BAB.
To further support this if you read under Attack actions the multiple attack is listed with reference to Full Round Actions but is under the Attack actions. In the chart is doesn't show this because Full Attack is full round action but listed in the text it is under attack actions. So you could vital strike on multiple attacks but not on Whirlwind attack.
Reference Attack Actions in PRD: "Multiple Attacks: A character who can make more than one attack per round must use the full-attack action (see Full-Round Actions) in order to get more than one attack."
That's my interpretation though.