Dragons and Frightful Presence


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Does it still make creatures frightened or shakened?


wraithstrike wrote:
Does it still make creatures frightened or shakened?

Yes.

PB p.300 wrote:


Frightful Presence (Ex) This special quality makes a
creature’s very presence unsettling to foes. Activating this
ability is a free action that is usually part of an attack or
charge. Opponents within range who witness the action
may become frightened or shaken.
...


As far as I can tell, though, there are no rules stating when creatures become frightened, and when they become shaken :)


The Grandfather wrote:
wraithstrike wrote:
Does it still make creatures frightened or shakened?

Yes.

PB p.300 wrote:


Frightful Presence (Ex) This special quality makes a
creature’s very presence unsettling to foes. Activating this
ability is a free action that is usually part of an attack or
charge. Opponents within range who witness the action
may become frightened or shaken.
...

I worded my question incorrectly. I meant to ask does it make them frightened or shakened?

It does not specify which condition is gained.


wraithstrike wrote:

I worded my question incorrectly. I meant to ask does it make them frightened or shakened?

It does not specify which condition is gained.

My guess would be Shaken first, if Shaken already then Frightened. Simply because Frightened has worse modifiers than Shaken.


QOShea wrote:
wraithstrike wrote:

I worded my question incorrectly. I meant to ask does it make them frightened or shakened?

It does not specify which condition is gained.

My guess would be Shaken first, if Shaken already then Frightened. Simply because Frightened has worse modifiers than Shaken.

And, shaken if they fail, and frightened if they roll a 1 on the first check.


A Ruling in this could be very helpfull... I believe it must have something to do with HD.
If no answer is given I would go with half or more the dragons HD it's shaken, if less than that is frightened.


wraithstrike wrote:


I worded my question incorrectly. I meant to ask does it make them frightened or shakened?

It does not specify which condition is gained.

Originally (3.5) creatures with 4 or less HD become frightened on a failed save while creatures who fail but have 5 or more HD only become shaken,

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