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It has been so long that I forget when I originally ordered this product. I think it was at GenCon 2008. This company had a booth in the vendor hall. Some of you might recall them. They were displaying a new RPG concept they had created. It had visually stunning, fantasy art backed up by a game system that was more about emotion and atmosphere than mechanics. Their core rulebook ("Eoris Essence") was not yet in print, they had demo copies only but they were taking pre-orders at $80 a pop. They were expecting to ship in December 2008. I thought it looked interesting and even though I didn't believe anyone would want to play this game due to its complexity I felt intrigued enough to shell out the $80 to see the final product.

I've been getting occasional e-mail apologies from this company for the better part of a year now. It seems like they are having a difficult time getting their product printed. So far they've gone through two printing companies. The first went to production and failed to meet quality standards, so VoE dropped them and went with a new one named D'Vinni. D'Vinni apparently strung VoE along for 6 months then sent VoE a vague letter stating they couldn't finish the project but it wasn't their fault.

Now the kicker is these companies are Columbian. The whole VoE team is based in Bogota. I've nothing against Columbia or its nationals, but it's not a country known for industry. If you want something printed economically, you should take a hint and order Chinese. It seems to have worked pretty well for Paizo, although I'm sure they had some bumps in the road when they began. I just wonder why VoE persists with a local printing partner when it is literally killing their company. I have suspected it was all a hoax, but if so they have gone through a lot of trouble selling the drama when my $80 check has long since been cashed.

Has anyone else here pre-ordered the VoE book Eoris Essence? Has anyone ever heard of such delays in getting something printed? How can a company hope to survive in this industry with such a performance?


Doug Doug wrote:

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Has anyone else here pre-ordered the VoE book Eoris Essence? Has anyone ever heard of such delays in getting something printed? How can a company...

I pre-ordered the Blue Chest package for 120 bucks back in like March or so. It includes the game, the art book, and the full site access and their contact subscription.

I've also gotten all the apology letters, witnessed the Sock-puppet fiasco on RPG net, and now am awaiting the Art Book, which they've promised to send to their pre-orderers. I should get it this week or next, since they requested an address update on the 12th. I've never heard of any such delay as this before, though. I'd have been suspicious, too, but they've put together far too much material, an elaborate website, and been reasonably good about communications (though they really should host their own forums and release the game on PDF first, I'm just sayin')

What bugs me now is that I ordered the Blue Chest specifically to get the art book, and now they're giving the art book to everyone who pre-ordered as an apology. I paid extra for that!


Doug Doug wrote:

Has anyone else here pre-ordered the VoE book Eoris Essence? Has anyone ever heard of such delays in getting something printed?

Ever looked at Mongoose? How often they push stuff back and the whole production mess with Cthulhutech which was a fair part of the reason they switched to Catalyst to produce their books, and in color too.

Then there are the books that some companies say are coming in the next few months then 3 years later still arn't out even though they were at one point on a release schedual. Production problems are nothing new in the rpg industry.

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The first went to production and failed to meet quality standards, so VoE dropped them and went with a new one named D'Vinni. D'Vinni apparently strung VoE along for 6 months then sent VoE a vague letter stating they couldn't finish the project but it wasn't their fault.

Though this sounds like they wanted a company that would meet the quality they wanted for their book and then were taken for a ride by the second.

I saw the game at Gencon and talked with them a bit. I'd almost given up on it when I decided to see if anything new had been said yesterday and found what you mentioned about the art book on RPGnet.... first time I'd been there since that fiasco. Was not impressed with the people on that forum at all.

Scarab Sages

Does anyone have more information about this game? I'm looking at buying it.


zabei wrote:
Does anyone have more information about this game? I'm looking at buying it.

Google EORIS. The link for their site will come up. The basic mechanic of the game is a dice pool mechanic, rolling 8 d20s, with all 15 or better rolls counting as successes. The setting is pretty new aged. The site should have a free starter guide for download.

Scarab Sages

New age how? I checked it out but it seems pretty standard, almost Avatar-like even. Not having the books in front of me, it sounds pretty much like a more open system too, as it gives you a "race creator" (honestly, something that isn't hard to do if you know any system) & I can gather from various forums that there isn't much depth to the backstory, but a TON of history so depending on when you set it (apparently setting it in the present - besides the random God killing herself thing - would prove less adventurous & exciting than setting it in the past).
Anyway, just my thoughts summed up. But to me its like any fantasy setting, with races that can really be anything the storyteller decides.

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