Will the Dragon Shaman be making an appearance in Pathfinder?


Pathfinder First Edition General Discussion

Scarab Sages

one of the characters I loved from PHBII was the Dragon Shaman & was dissapointed it was not included in new Pathfinder core rules - will it be coming out anytime soon ? or at all ?


It is not open content so Paizo can never use or update it. Many people have converted it and it should be very easy to convert and use

Scarab Sages

seekerofshadowlight wrote:
It is not open content so Paizo can never use or update it. Many people have converted it and it should be very easy to convert and use

ok so I am new to open content & this may be a stupid question but how is it that they can use players handbook essentially but not PHBII ? I thought either they would be both open content or neither were or is there some other reason they can use the core classes ?


Open content was the stuff wizards allowed other people to use. It was only the player handbook, DMG, epic hand book and psinic handbook for the most part, unearthed arcadia as well. And not all of the rules for open. Stuff like xp charts how to level and such were not open.

They just did not open anything else. So from WOTC ya have the core 3 books and 3 others and that is it. Nothing else can be touched. No monster book past the first, no complete books nothing but them 6 I listed

Other company's did have open content, green ronin alot of it's stuff is open.

Here is every single thing wotc allowed as open You will notice some monsters are not open as well


Ceefood wrote:
seekerofshadowlight wrote:
It is not open content so Paizo can never use or update it. Many people have converted it and it should be very easy to convert and use
ok so I am new to open content & this may be a stupid question but how is it that they can use players handbook essentially but not PHBII ? I thought either they would be both open content or neither were or is there some other reason they can use the core classes ?

The core rules (well, most of them) are covered by a legal document called the Open Game License and declared Open Game Content. This is all the material you can find on sites like www.d20srd.org and such. This material is legally open to the public, with certain limitations. Most other D&D books published by WotC were not released as Open Game Content, including the PHB II, and as such other companies cannot legally use this material without permission from WotC (permission they are unlikely to grant). Many other publishers--Green Ronin, Necromancer, Goodman Games, and of course Paizo--more often release their material as Open Game Content and so it is usable by others.

This is a very basic explanation, without getting into the nuts and bolts of the license. In short, almost everything published by WotC is not usable by any other company.

Scarab Sages

thats a pity - could they create a character says called acolyte of the dragon (not sure if this named has ever been used but its an example) & give it similar abilities ? or is this not allowed either ?

thanks all


you can make fan creations, and fan conversions. You can not just copy the whole thing and try and sell it however.

Silver Crusade

Pathfinder Adventure Path Subscriber
Ceefood wrote:

thats a pity - could they create a character says called acolyte of the dragon (not sure if this named has ever been used but its an example) & give it similar abilities ? or is this not allowed either ?

thanks all

WotC would likely sue you into the depths of oblivion if you did that :)

Paizo Employee Creative Director

Ceefood wrote:

thats a pity - could they create a character says called acolyte of the dragon (not sure if this named has ever been used but its an example) & give it similar abilities ? or is this not allowed either ?

thanks all

We could... but we wouldn't. We're more interested in either creating our own content or content based on concepts from the real world, public domain literature, or the open content of other publishers. We're very unlikely to do something like a dragon shaman (since it's very much a creation of Wizards of the Coast) but something like a ninja or a spiritualist or the like is fine. And eventually we might even do a class that has some sort of ties to dragons... but the flavor and mechanics of that class would be completely different from the dragon shaman.

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