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Hi.
I am making a wall of fire and ice and other templates for my game. Can someone help me figure out how many special templates would there be for Pathfinder RPG and what they would look like?
For example, would a Wall of Fire be a 20 foot square, with the bottom row in red, the next 10 foot row saying 2d4 damage, and the last row saying 1d4 damage per the Pathfinder RPG rules? How would you do it?
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Thanks for responding, but was your reply sarcasm?
I mean..... I think that's the solution.
I'm going to make an extendable 20 foot square, probably do this out of red cardstock. Then layer orange and yellow on as well. I will either make the pieces slide out to extend to 40 foot, or just make multiple ones 20' each.
I haven't seen these used at game tables, but quite honestly, I forsee a lot of fun, as players could run their opponents easily through the friendly fire, causing them to take damage each round. These templates, I imagine should be slightly translucent to enable the view of the battle map below (either Pathfinder Maps, or Flipmats, or Gaming Paper, etc.)
Perhaps the template could be done with clear plastic, tinted red, orange, and yellow appropriately for the full damage, medium, and low damamge lines.
Another great idea, (just popped into my head) would be a Steel Squire wire template, except it would be tri-color. A 20 foot box with 5 foot red, 10 foot orange, and 5 foot yellow.
Now, the Pathfinder RPG calls for purple/violet flame..... So perhaps it should be violet, red, and orange/yellow.
I can start with a simple coathanger wire and humble paint - - - then watch as my NPC's ignite the PCs in the next session. Mwaaahahaha!
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Thanks for responding, but was your reply sarcasm?
I'm sorry. Yes, part of it was. This has been beaten to death on ENworld (see this thread for example; the second post has a link to a related thread).
I do all this using MapTool so while I don't 100% agree with the way MT implements the "line" template, It is always consistent so I rule that the template is correct. It certainly simplifies a lot of things.
Oh, and I can change the border and interior color to anything I want. :)
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Thanks for responding, but was your reply sarcasm?I'm sorry. Yes, part of it was. This has been beaten to death on ENworld (see this thread for example; the second post has a link to a related thread).
I do all this using MapTool so while I don't 100% agree with the way MT implements the "line" template, It is always consistent so I rule that the template is correct. It certainly simplifies a lot of things.
Oh, and I can change the border and interior color to anything I want. :)
Hi, Azhrei fje! Thanks for clarifying...
I do not read En World. But I would like your expertise if possible....
This actually came up in last night's Pathfinder RPG game!!!
The Evoker (Pathfinder Sorcerer) cast Wall of Fire, and she is 9th level. It was cast down a long 10' corridore that opened up into a large chamber from whence a hoard of Trogs were coming. The player first set up a single line on the battle map. However, I ruled that the full 5' line would receive the full damage (since a thin line seems hardly different if it affects all creatures within that 5' line). Her line went on for a while. The spell provides 20' per level!!!!!
So, then I tracked round by round damage for the next line, and lessor damage for the rest of the area on the side deemed "hot" by the player.
Now, there were no other PCs in the area, so I did not need to cause damage to other players, but is that possible? I would think so, right. Only in mmorpgs does the wall of fire not harm friendly participants.
Next, if I don't read anything on EnWorld, could you summarize what is the point of contention there? What is the main issue?
I'm currently planning to use one of those acetate projector slide platics, and print the wall of fire in terms of 20' templates. Then, use multiples as needed based on the appropriate level of the caster. It amazes me that a 9th level caster could get 180 x 180 feet of fire damage. Now, imagine if that caster were evil and how many hamlets and small towns they could destroy!!!!
Yours, and everyone's thoughts on this is greatly welcomed. I seek simply to get very good at mastering and using this spell as both a player and a dungeonmaster. Thoughts?
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Hi, Azhrei fje! Thanks for clarifying...
I do not read En World. But I would like your expertise if possible....
I don't visit them as much as I used to. Their 3.5 forums don't get the traffic they used to get, so I don't need to visit as often to keep up to date with the threads.
Now, there were no other PCs in the area, so I did not need to cause damage to other players, but is that possible? I would think so, right.
Definitely.
Next, if I don't read anything on EnWorld, could you summarize what is the point of contention there? What is the main issue?
Hmm. Well, you should visit that link and read the thread. There are a lot of nuances in the following summary.
Point #1: the wall spells have an area of effect that isn't described adequately by the rules. Wall of Fire for example has "opaque sheet of flame" which doesn't actually say it's a line, although that's how most people play it.
Point #2: because of #1, it's unclear whether the sheet of flame must be unbroken. For example, could it extend through a closed door? Spell effects generally allow this and only require that the caster see the point of origin and then declare that the spell travels in a certain direction up to the limit of its length.
Point #3: what happens if the sheet of flame doesn't follow a grid line precisely? Again, the effect isn't defined (see #1) so a wall could move "up five, over 2" and traverse across the edges of some grid cells. If it does this, which squares are affected by full heat and which by half-heat?
That's what I can remember off-hand. But I cannot stress strongly enough that you read the other thread. frankthedm and HyperSmurf over there on ENworld have particularly keen insight into the 3.x rules so I typically afford them more credibility that just a random forum user over there. :)
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Hi, Azhrei fje! Thanks for clarifying...
I do not read En World. But I would like your expertise if possible....
I don't visit them as much as I used to. Their 3.5 forums don't get the traffic they used to get, so I don't need to visit as often to keep up to date with the threads.
Now, there were no other PCs in the area, so I did not need to cause damage to other players, but is that possible? I would think so, right.Definitely.
Next, if I don't read anything on EnWorld, could you summarize what is the point of contention there? What is the main issue?Hmm. Well, you should visit that link and read the thread. There are a lot of nuances in the following summary.
Point #1: the wall spells have an area of effect that isn't described adequately by the rules. Wall of Fire for example has "opaque sheet of flame" which doesn't actually say it's a line, although that's how most people play it.
Point #2: because of #1, it's unclear whether the sheet of flame must be unbroken. For example, could it extend through a closed door? Spell effects generally allow this and only require that the caster see the point of origin and then declare that the spell travels in a certain direction up to the limit of its length.
Point #3: what happens if the sheet of flame doesn't follow a grid line precisely? Again, the effect isn't defined (see #1) so a wall could move "up five, over 2" and traverse across the edges of some grid cells. If it does this, which squares are affected by full heat and which by half-heat?
That's what I can remember off-hand. But I cannot stress strongly enough that you read the other thread. frankthedm and HyperSmurf over there on ENworld have particularly keen insight into the 3.x rules so I typically afford them more credibility that just a random forum user over there. :)
Thanks so much for the reply.
With all due respect, I'm not going over to EnWorld. You've summarized the situation nicely. Thanks.