Another question to the Paizo Posse.
If a born template adds the Movement Type of Fly, such as a were-falcon or were-condor, or a half-dragon, or any other template that adds a fly speed, shouldn't that template also grant the fly skill as a class skill, since the character grew up being able to fly?
I vaguely recall somewhere that says if you get a swim speed, fly speed, or climb speed, you treat the skill as a class skill.
But if you have it as a speed, that generally means you automatically get bonuses already, so I see no particular need to grant class skill status.
I vaguely recall somewhere that says if you get a swim speed, fly speed, or climb speed, you treat the skill as a class skill.
But if you have it as a speed, that generally means you automatically get bonuses already, so I see no particular need to grant class skill status.
Any pages to site for either? That would help.
Any pages to site for either? That would help.I vaguely recall somewhere that says if you get a swim speed, fly speed, or climb speed, you treat the skill as a class skill.
But if you have it as a speed, that generally means you automatically get bonuses already, so I see no particular need to grant class skill status.
Fly, yes, it's a class skill, but no for climb and swim. Just gotta read the whole skill(s):
A creature with a climb speed has a +8 racial bonus on
all Climb checks. The creature must make a Climb check
to climb any wall or slope with a DC higher than 0, but it
can always choose to take 10, even if rushed or threatened
while climbing. If a creature with a climb speed chooses an
accelerated climb (see above), it moves at double its climb
speed (or at its land speed, whichever is slower) and makes a
single Climb check at a –5 penalty. Such a creature retains
its Dexterity bonus to Armor Class (if any) while climbing,
and opponents get no special bonus to their attacks against
it. It cannot, however, use the run action while climbing.
Creatures with a fly speed treat the Fly skill as a
class skill. A creature with a natural f ly speed receives a
bonus (or penalty) on Fly skill checks depending on its
maneuverability: Clumsy –8, Poor –4, Average +0, Good
+4, Perfect +8. Creatures without a listed maneuverability
rating are assumed to have average maneuverability.
A creature with a swim speed can move through
water at its indicated speed without making Swim checks.
It gains a +8 racial bonus on any Swim check to perform a
special action or avoid a hazard. The creature can always
choose to take 10 on a Swim check, even if distracted or
endangered when swimming. Such a creature can use the
run action while swimming, provided that it swims in a
straight line.
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Another question to the Paizo Posse.
If a born template adds the Movement Type of Fly, such as a were-falcon or were-condor, or a half-dragon, or any other template that adds a fly speed, shouldn't that template also grant the fly skill as a class skill, since the character grew up being able to fly?
In general, any skill in which a monster takes ranks is considered a class skill unless they are using class advancement instead of racial hit die.
template that adds a fly speed, shouldn't that template also grant the fly skill as a class skill, since the character grew up being able to fly?No because 3.p p96 says
"Creatures with a fly speed treat the Fly skill as a class skill."
Your post seems to contradict itself, so I am assuming you are saying that it would be redundant/unnecessary for the template to mention that Fly becomes a class skill because it is implicit in having a fly speed and therefore automatically granted.
So yes, the template [i]does]/i] grant the Fly skill as a class skill in the sense that it's not a class skill without the template and it becomes a class skill with the template. However, it's not the template, per se, that actually does the granting; rather, it's the fly speed itself that grants the use of the Fly skill as a class skill.
Ah,
Ok, thanks everyone. That seemed wrong to me, glad I just was missing something. Wow, so much new stuff to go over. I'm sure I'd have picked up most of this during the beta, if I'd been involved in it then. Sorry to keep asking questions.
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I am assuming you are saying that it would be redundant/unnecessary
it's not the template, per se, that actually does the granting; rather, it's the fly speed itself that grants the use of the Fly skill as a class skill.
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Sorry to keep asking questions.
You have asked questions, that helped me understand the rules better (when I try to answer them or participate in the thread.) So keep posting, it is good for everyone.