Mixed classes vs CR


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Sczarni

Ok i think i made it up with simple CR but what happend with NPCs with mixed classes like this:

Kobold Sorcerer 10/Aristocrat 10

Total level => 20
CR for Sorcerer levels => 9
CR for Aristocrat levels => 8

Would it means that this wierd but still funny level 20 kobold as a real CR of 17?

Silver Crusade

Pathfinder Adventure Path Subscriber

From a combat point of view a Aristocrat 10/ Sorcerer 10 is a lvl 10 Sorcerer with more hp and slightly better saves. I guess that a lvl 10 party would find him only marginally more challenging than a CR 10 creature.

Simply put, the CR system doesn't work with multiclass really (well it's a derivative of the whole multiclassing system in 3.5 being wonky). A Fighter 10/ Barbarian 10 does not equal a Wizard 10/ Cleric 10 at any rate.

Sczarni

Gorbacz wrote:

From a combat point of view a Aristocrat 10/ Sorcerer 10 is a lvl 10 Sorcerer with more hp and slightly better saves. I guess that a lvl 10 party would find him only marginally more challenging than a CR 10 creature.

Simply put, the CR system doesn't work with multiclass really (well it's a derivative of the whole multiclassing system in 3.5 being wonky). A Fighter 10/ Barbarian 10 does not equal a Wizard 10/ Cleric 10 at any rate.

I agree totaly with you on the "effective threat" factor that these mixed classes represent and the fact that some overpower others and vice-versa.

But my next question then is how do you evaluate the CR for these "weird" mix of class in order to reward XP to your players?


Use the "nonassociated class" rules. Sorcerer and Aristocrat aren't really very compatible, although you could make Aristocrat work for you (it has medium BAB and a nice skill list), so it should be worth something. Thus, a kobold Sorc10 would be (IIRC) something like CR 10, while a kobold Sorc10/Aristocrat10 would be CR 15. That feels about right; it's got 10d8 more hit points, +8 BAB, and higher saves, but it's really no more dangerous a spellcaster which should be its real threat to the party.

Silver Crusade

Pathfinder Adventure Path Subscriber

You should look at which class combos stack well. For example, Fgt/Rngr/Barb/Pal stack quite well, as they are all about full BAB and melee anyway.

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