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I have a question about the Pathfinder Chronicler's Deep Pockets ability. Is it possible, considering that a haversack is, by all definitions, a backpack, to use Deep Pockets to search your haversack for any item that could fit? Since a haversack can contain larger items than a normal backpack, this would open up the ability to draw larger items than normal from the haversack (within the 10 lb maximum weight, of course).
I would be all for it. Especially if the Chronicler is a woman, those purses can hold just about anything.
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Another thing i just noticed, drawing an item using Deep Pockets is a full-round action. Drawing a specific item from a haversack is a move action. The text of Deep Pockets states that "As a full-round action, the chronicler may dig through her pockets to retrieve an item she specifies at that time. Would this reduce the full-round action to a move action? Or would it remain a full-round because of the ability itself?
Full round, if it was a specific item you knew you had then move, however you are "pulling something we need but don't really have out of you butt" so I would require it to still be the full round.
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well i do understand that something like a crane is impossible (10 lb weight limit, as i said before), but my intent was for retrieving things that wouldn't fit into a normal small backpack, like say, a medium longsword, or a light metal shield. The purpose i had in mind was for replacing lost equipment in emergency situations, or for retrieving situational items like ropes or chains.
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Another thing i just noticed, drawing an item using Deep Pockets is a full-round action. Drawing a specific item from a haversack is a move action. The text of Deep Pockets states that "As a full-round action, the chronicler may dig through her pockets to retrieve an item she specifies at that time. Would this reduce the full-round action to a move action? Or would it remain a full-round because of the ability itself?
Solid logic, but if I had to justify maintaining the full-round action, I'd say you can't exactly look for a specific item because you're not exactly sure you have one. Fishing around before whipping out the perfect item it part of the charm of this ability.
I'd give you the large items, though, as long as you maintained the weight.
Off-Topic- I love this ability and really wish it were available as a feat, even in a lesser form - Lesser Deep Pockets? Kinda' Deep Pockets?
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My reasoning behind the reduced action comes from the haversacks special ability. "When the wearer reaches into it for a specific item, that item is always on top. Thus, no digging around and fumbling is ever necessary to find what a haversack contains." I interpreted this as "i need a sword for my ally who's sword just broke/was lost. i reach into the haversack, the item in question that i'm looking for is now right on top", as per the haversack, which removes the need to dig through/search my pack.
Any thoughts?
Btw i really appreciate the feedback :D
There use to be an actual spell that allowed you to store items in your pockets much like a bag of holding iirc. It got lost in the shuffle to 3.0 but it was always one of my favorites, it lasted days per level I think, had a weight limit, and didn't give you the move action withdraw, but was useful for keeping a bunch of stuff around.
I think part of the point is that the Pathfinder is a little disorganized and it takes them time to remember what they had and then find it.
I'd rule for balance reasons that a Pathfinder with a Handy Haversack would spend most of the round racking their brains for what they need, then reach into the Haversack and pull it out at the last moment, ending in the same time result.
However, the Haversack would increase the size of things one could reasonable hide in their pockets.
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wouldn't fit into a normal small backpack, like say, a medium longsword
Which would cut the haversack, dumping everything into the Astral plane?
reduced action comes from the haversacks special ability.
The ability (3.p p389) says backpack, and the way it is written there is no reason to assume that allows HHHaversacks. Primarily because HHH hold more than a backpack.
In any event, if your DM allows you to sub out a HHH it wouldn't be reduced to a move action.
The ability (3.p p389) says backpack, and the way it is written there is no reason to assume that allows HHHaversacks. Primarily because HHH hold more than a backpack.
In any event, if your DM allows you to sub out a HHH it wouldn't be reduced to a move action.
For shame! No OGL violations here...
In Pathfinder, we only have HHes now.
There use to be an actual spell that allowed you to store items in your pockets much like a bag of holding iirc. It got lost in the shuffle to 3.0 but it was always one of my favorites, it lasted days per level I think, had a weight limit, and didn't give you the move action withdraw, but was useful for keeping a bunch of stuff around.
Think the spell was called Deep Pockets as well, but I may be mistaken.
wouldn't fit into a normal small backpack, like say, a medium longswordWhich would cut the haversack, dumping everything into the Astral plane?
It's assumed that swords come with scabbards, so it is reasonable to assume the sword was put in the sack inside it's scabbard. Unless we also want to assume the Pathfinder in question also has an IQ of 4 or 5.
There use to be an actual spell that allowed you to store items in your pockets much like a bag of holding iirc. It got lost in the shuffle to 3.0 but it was always one of my favorites, it lasted days per level I think, had a weight limit, and didn't give you the move action withdraw, but was useful for keeping a bunch of stuff around.Think the spell was called Deep Pockets as well, but I may be mistaken.
The spell was called Deep Pockets, and basically let you get a handy haversack as a spell so long as you had a fancy silk jacket.
It's easy enough to house rules in.