Amulet of Mighty Fists (Throwing)
I think you see what I'm getting at here. Do you need the Returning quality?
FWIW, there actually is a Ki Blast feat in Player's Handbook 2. It works off of Stunning Fist uses.
There is, but it's not good. Spend TWO uses of stunning fist to throw a sphere of ki up to 50 feet for 3d6+wisdom damage?
It's 60 feet, not 50, which is a longer range than you'd get out of a throwing amulet of mighty fists, and the damage is MUCH better, being both higher average (until level 20 and 2d10+Str unarmed damage) AND being force and thus virtually unresistable and able to hit incorporeal targets. Oh, and it's a ranged touch attack instead of a normal ranged attack. The only needed change is to allow it to use a ki point instead of stunning fist uses.
Well, the thread is about using an amulet of mighty fists with the throwing weapon special ability, which would also allow only a single attack per round (even if it also had returning).
Actually, that's a good point.
'Course, I wouldn't allow throwing as an option on an AoMF, myself. That's what Ki Blast is for! ;)
Heh, I've always loved the idea of a Monk throwing out Hadoukens. I even created an Epic Prestige class a few years ago to allow them to do so.
Shame nobody played a Monk in an Epic Campaign to test it.
Shame our only Epic Campaign slowly became impossible to play (due to the craziness of Epic Rules, Epic Monsters, and players who started to ask help to Gold Dragons and Celestial beings to do their work for them).
As for Ki Blast (official PHB II)... a lame feat (IMHO). It even allows non-Monks to throw ki shots !
If you let the ki blast work as any attacks made in a round rather than just a standard action, I'd take it in your game :)
It would be too powerful to allow this. Monks are weak in ranged attacks for a reason.
You have to consider balance and not stealing the spotlight of other classes when designing new stuff. If you make the monk all powerful all players will want to play them and other classes will suffer :)Expending 1 Ki point or 2 stunning fists for a 60 ft range blast that is a ranged touch attack, does 3d6+Wis mod force damage is sweet. There are many situations where it will be really useful, like start of any combat where you cannot come to where you want in one round by doing a double move. Or against any flying pests or enemies on accessible areas.
Even when you can get there but would be then alone against many enemies this is more useful then firing shurikens or crossbow at them.
If you let the ki blast work as any attacks made in a round rather than just a standard action, I'd take it in your game :)It would be too powerful to allow this. Monks are weak in ranged attacks for a reason.
You have to consider balance and not stealing the spotlight of other classes when designing new stuff. If you make the monk all powerful all players will want to play them and other classes will suffer :)Expending 1 Ki point or 2 stunning fists for a 60 ft range blast that is a ranged touch attack, does 3d6+Wis mod force damage is sweet. There are many situations where it will be really useful, like start of any combat where you cannot come to where you want in one round by doing a double move. Or against any flying pests or enemies on accessible areas.
Even when you can get there but would be then alone against many enemies this is more useful then firing shurikens or crossbow at them.
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This is what I like about these boards. You and I have disagreed rather vociferously in other threads, -Archangel-, but we're in absolutely perfect agreement here. I couldn't have said that any better, myself.
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The only needed change is to allow it to use a ki point instead of stunning fist uses.
I'd say allow it to use the Monk's unarmed damage value, so that it's less powerful at lower levels. More likely to hit and Wisdom rather than Strength means it'll do more damage for most high-level Monks... but that's balanced by having to stand still while you do it.
I'd be fine with those restrictions, assuming it came with the monk class, or with the stunning fist feat, but I expect a feat (including a feat that others can take, though they may not want to due to the stunning fist uses expense) to give something more than that.If you let the ki blast work as any attacks made in a round rather than just a standard action, I'd take it in your game :)It would be too powerful to allow this. Monks are weak in ranged attacks for a reason.
You have to consider balance and not stealing the spotlight of other classes when designing new stuff. If you make the monk all powerful all players will want to play them and other classes will suffer :)Expending 1 Ki point or 2 stunning fists for a 60 ft range blast that is a ranged touch attack, does 3d6+Wis mod force damage is sweet. There are many situations where it will be really useful, like start of any combat where you cannot come to where you want in one round by doing a double move. Or against any flying pests or enemies on accessible areas.
Even when you can get there but would be then alone against many enemies this is more useful then firing shurikens or crossbow at them.
And you are basing this expectation on what?
Weapon focus (crossbow) gives you a +1 to attack. Weapon specialization +2 to damage. Dodge +1 AC.I think compared to those feats this one is pretty sweet.
Feats either give flat constant minor bonuses or another option that your base class does not have (like power attack). This feat is another option. Just like the one you would get by taking Improved Grapple (which is standard action as well) or Vital Strike.
Monks using Ki Blasts has something I've wanted to implement for some time now. Being raised on Street Fighter will do that I suspect. Here's my particular attempt to make it work within Pathfinder as a feat:
Ki Blast
You can fire a blast of mystical energy at a single target.
Prerequisites: Wis 16, Ki Pool class feature
Benefits: As a standard action you can spend one point from your ki pool to fire a ki blast at a single target. The ki blast is a Supernatural ability and is treated as a ranged attack with a range of 50 ft. The blast inflicts damage equal to your unarmed strike plus your wisdom modifier and deals double damage on a successful critical hit. This damage is treated as magic for the purpose of overcoming damage reduction.
Notes: Ultimately I tried to keep the mechanics of the blast simple while not letting it get too powerful. By keeping it to a standard action (i.e. only once per round) and tying it to the ki pool, I feel it gives the monk some some ranged options without overshadowing the primary "blaster-classes" of the party. Any thoughts?
heh, when I read this thread title I was wondering if someone had taken the ability from the PrC I posted a few days ago.
Nah, just multiple people trying to capture an iconic element of fantasy martial arts. You had an interesting approach as well by tying the attack into a PrC. With the feat approach the ki blast becomes a much more common element for monks in the campaign world, while going with the PrC route makes those monks a bit more rare and unique. Both are viable options depending on how prevalent you want this sort of attack to be.
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Nah, just multiple people trying to capture an iconic element of fantasy martial arts. You had an interesting approach as well by tying the attack into a PrC. With the feat approach the ki blast becomes a much more common element for monks in the campaign world, while going with the PrC route makes those monks a bit more rare and unique. Both are viable options depending on how prevalent you want this sort of attack to be.heh, when I read this thread title I was wondering if someone had taken the ability from the PrC I posted a few days ago.
Thanks :)
Then there was the "ring the golden bell" feat from Dragon.....
Which seemed to work fine for most things.
Do you happen to remember what issue that feat showed up in? Obviously you won't be able to post the mechanics of the feat here, but I might have the issue.
Adding the Throwing property to an Amulet of Mighty Fists seems to be more of a rules exploit than anything else. You can't really throw your fist (unless it detaches! Monk Warforged with rocket fists anyone?)
Or Buggy the Clown from One Piece.
Heh, I've always loved the idea of a Monk throwing out Hadoukens. I even created an Epic Prestige class a few years ago to allow them to do so.
Shame nobody played a Monk in an Epic Campaign to test it.
Shame our only Epic Campaign slowly became impossible to play (due to the craziness of Epic Rules, Epic Monsters, and players who started to ask help to Gold Dragons and Celestial beings to do their work for them).As for Ki Blast (official PHB II)... a lame feat (IMHO). It even allows non-Monks to throw ki shots !
Respect for spelling Hadou correct :)
I always loved the PhBII's Ki Blast. It gives the monk a valid attack against those hard to reach flying monsters. And I would love to see this feat make a return in Pathfinder. It used to do Force damage.
I made two more feats to accompany my Ki Blast feat:
Improved Ki Blast
Your ki blasts are stronger and more capable of overcoming your enemy’s defenses.
Prerequisites: Wis 14, Ki pool class feature, Ki Blast
Benefits: Any attributes your unarmed strikes gain as a result of your ki pool class feature may also be applied to your ki blast. In addition any magical bonuses to your unarmed strikes (such as through the Amulet of Mighty Fists) may also be applied to your ki Blast.
Greater Ki Blast
By focusing your ki you can unleash a devastating attack on your opponent.
Prerequisites: Wis 17, Ki pool class feature, Extra Ki, Ki Blast, Improved Ki Blast
Benefits: As a full-round action you may spend two ki points to inflict double damage on a successful ki blast. In addition this damage is tripled on a successful critical hit.
The first was designed to allow greater compatibility with the Monk's Ki pool, letting the ki blast scale with the ki strike ability. The second was an attempt to capture the flavor of Ryu's Shinkuu-Hadouken. Performing the maneuver requires sacrificing mobility and an additional ki point, but I think double damage and an increased critical modifier makes up for it.