I want to know which race is your least favorite; it can be crunchwise or fluffwise or both.
Fluffwise, my least favorite is the warforged: I don't like sci-fi in my fantasy so I often refluff them as golems rather than robots.
Crunchwise, my least favorite is the half elf: 'I can suck at another class' at-will power and grant my allies an insignificant skill bonus!' just doesn't scream FUN! to me.
Fluffwise, my least favorite is the warforged: I don't like sci-fi in my fantasy so I often refluff them as golems rather than robots.
Aren't Warforged already golems, just with more free will and less resistance to magic?
Anyway, for fluff I'm not that big a fan of Dwarves. They just all seem the same.
For crunch, I dislike the Elf. I know they're technically great for a variety of classes, but I always save the reroll for later in the encounter because I may need it more then and I end up never using it.
Dwarves.
Because they are dwarves.
I despise elves in every edition of the game. They're basically a race of Mary Sue's.
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Gnomes. They don't seem to me to have a niche that isn't just as well filled by another character race. Don't really match up with the gnomes of folklore, and don't have any compelling characteristics in their RPG write-ups.
I agree that gnomes seem to be vague. Yet I always find myself playing them. Maybe because they are something of a blank slate... I don't know.
I don't care for half-orcs. I'm sure there is a lot that can be done with one, but people always seem to play them the same.
Elves. By Zuul, I hate elves. In a 12 year run of D&D I had less then ten players make characters that weren't elves (with the occasional half-elf).
Yeah, gnomes here. In all my years of play it seems it's pretty much impossible for anyone to play a gnome character whose existence is justified by anything other than being strange, or being comic relief.
Oh, the mention of the goliaths reminded that i also dislike the mediocre races, poorly designed, introduced in the Races series : Chaos Gnomes, Dream Dwarves, Garguns, Goliaths, Illumians, Killorens, Raptorans...
Fluffwise, my least favorite is the warforged: I don't like sci-fi in my fantasy so I often refluff them as golems rather than robots.Aren't Warforged already golems, just with more free will and less resistance to magic
I can't remember whether they're technically classified as golems, but they look too mechanical for my taste. Less rivets and ball bearings, please.
Kender. Tinker gnomes. Gully dwarves. Minotaur. Draconians.
I think there may be a theme there somewhere...
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Slightly (read as very) off topic here but did anyone else thing Iron mans armour from the film when unpainted looked exactly like a Warforged?
Oh yeah. I managed to find a motivational-type poster that had a picture of Iron Man and said "I AM WARFORGED."
Least favorite race? Mongrelfolk.
Favorite: Too many to choose, but possible Thri-Kreen, Half-Dragons, Woodlings, and anything with enough templates to make it the freakiest looking thing in existance. I'm thinking a Winged Feral Insectile Anthropomorphic Large Viper...
Shifters are too Thundercats for me. They may even border on Fluffy.
Kender. Tinker gnomes. Gully dwarves. Minotaur. Draconians.
I think there may be a theme there somewhere...
I'm with you on the Kender and Tinker Gnomes. I HATE Tinker Gnomes, especially.
I've always liked Gnomes, but not "D&D" gnomes, per se. When I play a Gnome, I base it off of traditional legend and not "D".
I also loved all the Dark Sun core races... even the elves.
I was disappointed in the Goliaths also.
Slightly (read as very) off topic here but did anyone else thing Iron mans armour from the film when unpainted looked exactly like a Warforged?
Oh, I had forgotten about that striking resemblance until now, they totally do!
Kender. Tinker gnomes. Gully dwarves. Minotaur. Draconians.
Heh, I call dragonborn draconians in my games. Heck, I do it in other DMs' games too. It just sounds so much cooler.
I may be biased in some or all of my statements.
Gully dwarves rock!
An excellent race for the DM. Gully Dwarves are so stupid that they are physically incapable of giving your players any kind of coherent information about what lies ahead though they may provide exasperating hints at something worth knowing.
Because of this the DM is free to sprinkle them throughout his adventure without having to worry about the players learning anything particularly useful. Once scattered through the adventure they are phenomenal for adding interesting role playing encounters, especially ones which are, at their heart, comic relief.
Done well you still get all the tension and the drama of the battle with the evil bad guys but between deadly combat encounters you'll have your players laughing so hard they're crying.
I so love Gully Dwarves.
Gnomes & 3.5/4 Kender-wannabe Halflings... if I had my choice they would be wiped from existance and never seen again. I can stomach hobbits and kenders, but I won't miss them if I have to take them along to get rid of the gnomes and kender-wannabe halflings.
Gnomes. Hate them. Half elves too but I can at least tolerate them.
I want to know which race is your least favorite; it can be crunchwise or fluffwise or both.
Fluffwise, my least favorite is the warforged: I don't like sci-fi in my fantasy so I often refluff them as golems rather than robots.
Crunchwise, my least favorite is the half elf: 'I can suck at another class' at-will power and grant my allies an insignificant skill bonus!' just doesn't scream FUN! to me.
They are already constructs.
I'm surprised no one has said dragonborn. I'm still not sold on them as a PC race.
Draconians I don't have a problem with because they fit into the overall structure of the Dragonlance world. They are decided villains/monsters. However, even a draconian as a PC still kind of irks me.
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Its a ditto for me on gnomes, and for all of the same reasons. Gnomes are kind of dwarf, kind of elf, kind of halfling, and lots of annoying. Various versions have tried to make something out of gnomes, and either made them a nuisance, over-the-top, or boring. No gnomes. Crunchwise, I think the half-elf has always been underwhelming, in every version, though I like the fluff.
I'm surprised no one has said dragonborn. I'm still not sold on them as a PC race.
Draconians I don't have a problem with because they fit into the overall structure of the Dragonlance world. They are decided villains/monsters. However, even a draconian as a PC still kind of irks me.
Dragon-based PCs are neat. Draconians proved that and now I can play them and not be in a DL game! :)
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Warforged. I know they're golems, but I always considered golems magic-powered robots anyway. Regardless whether they're powered by an atomic core, magic spells, psionic crystals, or unicorn farts, sentient constructs just rub me horribly the wrong way as a PC race.
I don't care for Dragonborn either, but I don't think they raise the ire of people the same way that warforged, gnomes, kenderlings, and the like do. There's no real hatred, just no big interest, either.
Elves. By Zuul, I hate elves. In a 12 year run of D&D I had less then ten players make characters that weren't elves (with the occasional half-elf).Perhaps then I should refer you to my friendly travel agent. It's this place called Talislanta.. You might remember our advertising slogan of yore..
LOL! I can picture the ad from Dragon right now - black & white demon face with horns. Wow - that takes me back a long, long ways. I`m glad a gaming buddy of mine got me a few of the Talislanta books - they are excellent reading & idea gold mines!
All the gnome hatred! Honestly, I can't explain why it is that I play them a good 50% of the time, but I do...
The only time gnomes seemed slightly cool to me was back in 1981 - I had just got my first issue of Dragon (58 I think) and it had a whole write up on Gnomish deities - one of which was a giant hairless mole! I mean - that`s pretty cool worshiping a giant mole!
I'm amazed at the amount of gnome hate! Two of my longest known players and friends are gnome lovers. I don't share their obsession, but they don't bother me either. Weird.
I'm joining the Warforged hate-train, though my main reason for booting them is the craptastical art associated with them.
I'd be much more inclined to allow them if a player came to me with a picture of an Iron Kingdoms warjack stapled to his/her character sheet...
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Ooh... and kender! I hate f@#&%$g kender!!!! And the kender-ization of the halfling race! Damn you, Tasslehoff! Damn you to the Nine Hells!!!
And then the demons and devils get fed up with having Tasselhoff live their, bless him, and procede to send him to the celestial planes with a one-way ticket.
Ooh... and kender! I hate f@#&%$g kender!!!! And the kender-ization of the halfling race! Damn you, Tasslehoff! Damn you to the Nine Hells!!!
I can't really say I hate Kender - but, where as, Gully Dwarves are phenomenal NPCs for the DM to play with Kender are essentially the opposite. In the actual novels Tasslehoff is fun to read about but in reality at the game table a Kender is basically an excuse for one player to really, really, annoy the rest of the players. Constantly finding that ones stuff has been stolen by the lovable Kender essentially only works in a novel. At the table it just frustrates and infuriates the rest of the players who are all soon dreaming about how they plan to torture the Kender to death - and then take the player who plays the Kender out back and beat him to within an inch of his life.
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Ooh... and kender! I hate f@#&%$g kender!!!! And the kender-ization of the halfling race! Damn you, Tasslehoff! Damn you to the Nine Hells!!!I can't really say I hate Kender - but, where as, Gully Dwarves are phenomenal NPCs for the DM to play with Kender are essentially the opposite. In the actual novels Tasslehoff is fun to read about but in reality at the game table a Kender is basically an excuse for one player to really, really, annoy the rest of the players. Constantly finding that ones stuff has been stolen by the lovable Kender essentially only works in a novel. At the table it just frustrates and infuriates the rest of the players who are all soon dreaming about how they plan to torture the Kender to death - and then take the player who plays the Kender out back and beat him to within an inch of his life.
It takes a special type of person to play a kender properly. I've allowed people to play them on occansion, if I thought the player was up to the challenge. However I have to agree with Allen to a certain extent. I have seen way too many halfling rogues show up a my table who's players seem intent on doing nothing but demand that we spend a bunch of time roleplaying them stealing the rest of the party's stuff. One of them even recruitedoneof his frinds to play D&D after the party got fed up with him. The new guy played his half-orc barbarian bodyguard. Surprise, surprise.
I very much dislike the addition of eladrin in 4E. They are almost exactly like elves and everyone just plays them like an elf. Even their character art makes them look like elves except for the creepy eyes. With all the elf hate I'm surprised no one has mentioned eladrin. They're exactly like elves only fruitier.
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I very much dislike the addition of eladrin in 4E. They are almost exactly like elves and everyone just plays them like an elf. Even their character art makes them look like elves except for the creepy eyes. With all the elf hate I'm surprised no one has mentioned eladrin. They're exactly like elves only fruitier.
I think eladrin ARE 3e elves. Over the editions, elves had gotten less woodsy and more arcane and aloof. I say kudos to 4e for finally making the break and creating two separate races.
The way I see it, if you had 3e elves, you hate eladrin. 4e elves are more like the wood elves of previous editions.
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I very much dislike the addition of eladrin in 4E. They are almost exactly like elves and everyone just plays them like an elf. Even their character art makes them look like elves except for the creepy eyes. With all the elf hate I'm surprised no one has mentioned eladrin. They're exactly like elves only fruitier.
When is an elf not an elf? When it is an eladrin.
Still hate elves...
Can you feel the HATE...
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Least Favorite: Any Small race. Gnomes and Halflings basically. You know that scene in Star Wars II where Yoda fights Count Dooku? It is totally ridiculous. I can stomach a small race as a caster, where magic makes up for their lack of might, but when they are fighters or even rogues Its hard to fathom. "I sneak attack the giant!" "Uh, so you landed a devastating blow to its knees."
Favorite: Drow. Pre-Drizz't. I loved em from the days of yore. They've become a bit of a joke due to their over-popularity, but to hell with that and those Drizz't haters out there. Drow still rock!
Goliath: The whole "race of stone" schtick steps on the toes of dwarves. I am more inclined to think of the as "enlightened ogres". It's a race that I think fills a niche (along with minotaurs btw) that hasn't been done well or addressed in D&D: that of the "giant". In biblical terms, these are the "Nephilim", The Sons of God, who are married with the "daughters of men" whose offspring are the "heroes of old", presumably wiped out in the great flood. A similar myth about Goliaths would make them more rich (less biblical and more D&D of course). Perhaps Goliaths are the offspring of Deva's (astral) and Giants (elementals) and as a result are an abomination in the eyes of both the gods and the primordials. Their shamanistic tendencies and ties to the Nature power source are a direct result of that. When they die, their spirits live on, and the Goliaths practice a form of ancestor worship (a shaman class would conjure his ancestors as his spirit rather than an animal spirit, for example). I think Goliaths have potential, but as presented they fall short.
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I very much dislike the addition of eladrin in 4E. They are almost exactly like elves and everyone just plays them like an elf. Even their character art makes them look like elves except for the creepy eyes. With all the elf hate I'm surprised no one has mentioned eladrin. They're exactly like elves only fruitier.
Eladrin are very much near the top of my list. The other one at the top of my list, Draconians. I hate the very concept.
I don't get the gnome hate though, I love gnomes.
Least Favorite: Any Small race. Gnomes and Halflings basically. You know that scene in Star Wars II where Yoda fights Count Dooku?
I like that scene, but I laugh every time I see it. It's like someone attached anti-grav pads and a lightsaber to a basketball.
Eladrin are very much near the top of my list. The other one at the top of my list, Draconians. I hate the very concept.
I don't get the gnome hate though, I love gnomes.
If you love gnomes you will never understand the awesomeness that is playing a dragonman.
The two are diametrically opposed. Matter & anti-matter. Oil and water. Science and religion.