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I recently received my Cheliax Empire of Devils Companion an I really like it. Well done!
I did notice one thing that might be a discrepancy.
In the Cheliax entry of the Campaign Setting book, under Notable Noble Houses, it mentions House Narikopolus as being famed for their archers.
In the Cheliax companion, in the Righteous North section (page 10) there is mention of "House Napiciza, famed archers of Cheliax"
Now, it certainly is possible that there are two Houses famous for their archers, but it seems unlikely. Is this a small breach in continuity, an editorial change, or are there in fact two house equally famed for their archers?
I ask specifically because I wanted to use this hook a little in the background of the ranger I am creating to take through the COT adventur path.
Thanks!!!
Cheliax is so awesome! - - Cheliax is so awesome, they have TWO famed archer families. Narikopolus is like the urban version.
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I recently received my Cheliax Empire of Devils Companion an I really like it. Well done!
I did notice one thing that might be a discrepancy.
In the Cheliax entry of the Campaign Setting book, under Notable Noble Houses, it mentions House Narikopolus as being famed for their archers.
In the Cheliax companion, in the Righteous North section (page 10) there is mention of "House Napiciza, famed archers of Cheliax"
Now, it certainly is possible that there are two Houses famous for their archers, but it seems unlikely. Is this a small breach in continuity, an editorial change, or are there in fact two house equally famed for their archers?
I ask specifically because I wanted to use this hook a little in the background of the ranger I am creating to take through the COT adventur path.
Thanks!!!
Narikopolus is the Absalom/Pathfinder name. Napiciza is the Chelish name. Same house, different pronunciations to keep the meaning. Simple, really.
It is very likly a misprint.Still, if it is a misprint, I wonder why the shift from Greek- to Italian-esque naming?
I think they have a whole "Cheliax is Italy" thing going on now. Maybe they didn't have that so much before?
If/when it ever comes up in my game, I would just treat them as two noble houses famed for their archers. I mean... I'm sure a country could support at least two. They probably compete in the annual archery competitions.
I recently received my Cheliax Empire of Devils Companion an I really like it. Well done!
I did notice one thing that might be a discrepancy.
In the Cheliax entry of the Campaign Setting book, under Notable Noble Houses, it mentions House Narikopolus as being famed for their archers.
In the Cheliax companion, in the Righteous North section (page 10) there is mention of "House Napiciza, famed archers of Cheliax"
Now, it certainly is possible that there are two Houses famous for their archers, but it seems unlikely. Is this a small breach in continuity, an editorial change, or are there in fact two house equally famed for their archers?
I ask specifically because I wanted to use this hook a little in the background of the ranger I am creating to take through the COT adventur path.
Thanks!!!
Sean would be the guy to ask on this one. In the version I turned over, it was Narikopolus.
(Let's see how he gets out of the way of THAT bus!)
-Colin
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I think they have a whole "Cheliax is Italy" thing going on now. Maybe they didn't have that so much before?
I think it was there from the beginning. I remember the questions which arose when we found out that there's no chelish names in the Rise of the Runelords Player's Guide. Even then, Mike (McArtor) pointed to Italy and the roman languages. If I remember correctly he was also the first one to compare parts of the chelish culture to ancient Rome.
But there were more pressing matters at hand in the meantime (Second Darkness and Legacy of Fire) so the focus shifted away from Cheliax a bit. Until now that is.
Osirian did it all on their own
Yeah! They needed no help being subjugated by Quadira after centuries of decline!
I recently received my Cheliax Empire of Devils Companion an I really like it. Well done!
I did notice one thing that might be a discrepancy.
In the Cheliax entry of the Campaign Setting book, under Notable Noble Houses, it mentions House Narikopolus as being famed for their archers.
In the Cheliax companion, in the Righteous North section (page 10) there is mention of "House Napiciza, famed archers of Cheliax"
There is a huge rivalry between the two and they both make grandiose claims which are sometimes repeated by various media sources.
The truth is any Andoran pig farmer can outshoot either one. The Chellaxians pay top dollar for their reputation.
The name sounded too Greek to me, and given all the attention we've been giving to how Cheliax is more Venetian, I made the change. Nothing wrong with Greek, but it stood out strangely in my mind compared to the other material we've been working on (even though that's the name from the PFCS), so I changed it.
If you like, you can have one be an offshoot of the other (perhaps because of the rise of the House of Thrune), trying to establish itself as a viable competitor to the original.
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In a discussion regarding hierarchy of canon sources for the wiki, James Jacobs said that the highest tier sources are the CS hardcover and the AP volumes. Since the discrepancy here is between the CS and a Companion, I think the CS wins. At least assuming the word of the EIC is to be believed.
Hmmm. I would have thought it was a bit... early... in Golarion's life for such errors and inconsistencies. Especially since the Cheliax entry in the (reasonably recent) CS wasn't all that long.
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In a discussion regarding hierarchy of canon sources for the wiki, James Jacobs said that the highest tier sources are the CS hardcover and the AP volumes. Since the discrepancy here is between the CS and a Companion, I think the CS wins. At least assuming the word of the EIC is to be believed.
not this time
Sean changed it specifically to sound more accord to the setting...or so he said :P
maybe its just a pretext :D
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Not a huge deal but a bit odd. For my part, I actually like canon discrepancies for various reasons. It just seems like a weird change overall.
But not a major one and certainly nothing that can't be altered or justified.
Edit: I keep trying to phrase this so it accurately reflect my thoughts. For some reason, I am having trouble and it always comes out more harsh than I mean to. :)
Hmmm. I would have thought it was a bit... early... in Golarion's life for such errors and inconsistencies. Especially since the Cheliax entry in the (reasonably recent) CS wasn't all that long.
Teething problems.
Not a huge deal but a bit odd. For my part, I actually like canon discrepancies for various reasons. It just seems like a weird change overall.
But not a major one and certainly nothing that can't be altered or justified.
Edit: I keep trying to phrase this so it accurately reflect my thoughts. For some reason, I am having trouble and it always comes out more harsh than I mean to. :)
No wonder: You Taldanes are an offense all by yourself.
Personally I chalk it up to the "disinformation" campaign of the Golarian team. After all they've pointed out that some of the "common information" is down right wrong, and somethings have multiple sources and myths behind them that even the Gods don't really know the truth of.
I just file this under that category. The Cheliaxians have their way of saying/spelling it, and everyone else (the Taldans for example) have theirs.
Oh...I'm sorry. Is that you buzzing? I thought it was a fly or a mosquito. Not that there is much difference between a bloodsucking mosquito and a blood sucking Chelaxian, so you can see my confusion.
No wonder: You Taldanes are an offense all by yourself.
Oh, there is one difference: The Chelaxian's nation doesn't suck.
I assume that with mosquito, you meant Taldane. That's what we call you over here: Mosquito. Because you're so small, and so annoying, but if anyone ever bothers, a single swipe will get rid of you.
See how delusional Chelaxians are? The poor souls must beg, borrow, and steal their cultural identity.
Denial. It's an ugly thing.
So that's why my mirror broke when I held it in your direction.
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So that's why my mirror broke when I held it in your direction.See how delusional Chelaxians are? The poor souls must beg, borrow, and steal their cultural identity.
Denial. It's an ugly thing.
If you had opened your eyes you would have seen that it was already broke.
It's okay, though. You have our sympathies. It must be hard when your god dies and your people don't know where to turn. It's only been 100 years. I give it another 50 before Cheliax completes its fall.
Oh, look! A misguided soul! Here, have a cookie *displays aromatic fresh batch of lactose-free, non-gluten chocolate chip cookies to Sanakht Inaros. In the background, a succubus smirks*
Yeah that's what they get for taking a Taldan god as their own... should have known better.
The name sounded too Greek to me, and given all the attention we've been giving to how Cheliax is more Venetian, I made the change. Nothing wrong with Greek, but it stood out strangely in my mind compared to the other material we've been working on (even though that's the name from the PFCS), so I changed it.
If you like, you can have one be an offshoot of the other (perhaps because of the rise of the House of Thrune), trying to establish itself as a viable competitor to the original.
That's what I meant to say. Narikopolus is the new House favored by the Thrunii--the third-in-line heir declared enthusiastically for House Thrune during the troubles, and was rewarded with a title of paranobility. He changed his name (and that of his followers) to House Napiciza, and his heirs have spent the remaining time trying to wrest actual control of the north from the original Napiciza.
Because Napiciza has since declared allegiance to the Thrunii, Egorian has no vested interest in the outcome of the struggle--and so the battle continues in politics, bribes, and bloody guerrilla battles in the hills and mountains of the north.
In the background, a succubus smirks*[/i]
Succubus? So you traffic with demons, Joela? We'll have so send a Paralictor and his fine companions over to you to have a chat about the company you keep. Do you have torture implements at your home or does he have to bring his own? }>
It must be hard when your god dies
What are you talking about? I'm not dead. Definitely not.
AHHHHH....How cute! Now they think they can cook!
Oh, look! A misguided soul! Here, have a cookie *displays aromatic fresh batch of lactose-free, non-gluten chocolate chip cookies to Sanakht Inaros. In the background, a succubus smirks*
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When i play chelexians, i ignore all the stuff relating to demons. (i made one as a pc, she traffics with angels not demons/devils. and comes from a family tradition of such. almost complete subversion of the standard chelexian. not an expansionist but a borderline pacifist, not a nuke but a bandage, good instead of evil, comes from sandpoint instead of korvosa, has a latin name. her whole purpose was to subvert major chelexian standards. goodie two shoes rather than an indulgent sinner. chaste rather than sleeping with every incubus/succuubus that passes by. wishes to be an angel, not a demon or devil. follower of sarenrae, not big bad archfiend. it's fun to subvert chelexians and other typically evil races, and thier cultures.)