Do they get applied after the point buy is complete or before you do the point buy?
Do they get applied after the point buy is complete or before you do the point buy?
I think they are applied after so it will be cheaper for the character. I will admit I could not find rules that stated either way.
It's after, always has been. It's also spelled out in the Pathfinder Society Guide (v.'s 1.1 and 2.0).
After. Abilitiy Scores are determined first, then Race, then Class. Of course, it's not necessarily that way in your mind
Yeah, that order doesn't really make sense. Who thinks of ability scores first? "Hm... I think I'll make something strong and smart, but ugly as hell and oblivious to the world. Hm... what race do I play. Hm.. what class do I play?"
Still, it's the way the rules apply: You determine your ability scores according to the method(s) your GM allows you, and after that assign racial modifiers. That's why elves can have dex and/or int 20 even at level 1 (and the same for other races and their bonus scores).
Yeah, that order doesn't really make sense. Who thinks of ability scores first?
In our Ironman games (3d6, in order), you get your ability scores before you decide what race and class you want to play.
Yeah, that order doesn't really make sense. Who thinks of ability scores first? "Hm... I think I'll make something strong and smart, but ugly as hell and oblivious to the world. Hm... what race do I play. Hm.. what class do I play?"
It's just the order you build a character in, not the order you envision a character concept. I'll sit down and know I am going to roll up a dwarven fighter, but I am still rolling my ability scores before I apply racial bonuses, abilities and other features.
