Effects of starting a campaign now vs. waiting 1 month


General Discussion (Prerelease)


I'm curious about how different the player characters and rules will be in the core rule book vs. the beta rules? Have an opportunity to start a campaign and would like to use the pathfinder rules. However I am concerned that if we create characters now they will be obsolete or require extreme amounts of rework and relearning in a month. If we continue playing it will absolutely be with the new rules. Having to do a moderate amount of rework is fine and will most likely be enjoyable, however complete system changes will not be. The group will all be learning from "scratch" so big changes will be inconvenient.

Thank You


I doubt that you'd need more than a moderate amount of rework from beta. The only problem that I see happening is that some players might complain about rule changes associated with some classes that they either picked or wish they'd picked.


I agree. Not entirely sure that clerics' domain abilities are going away, or at least being toned down, but some will likely be sorely missed.

Dark Archive

Pathfinder Roleplaying Game Superscriber

Personally i would wait. But i am basised cause that what I am going to do before I start my next game.

Sovereign Court

Start now. Minor rework ahead only.


If your using 3.5 I think it'll only be minior upgrades, going from Beta to final will involve dowgrades and you might get more objections.

A good solution, at least what I'm doing but for other reasons is slow progression to a crawl. I'm going current level X 3000 to gain a level. I want to tell multiple Adv. Paths as well as my own adv. ideas all mixed into one so going slow is a no brainer for me, and it works effectivly I'm able to tell much larger story arcs without having characters becoming too powerful too fast. For you on the other hand this will keep leveling to a minimum until you get the new ruleset and can then shift gears and convert.

TTFN DRE

Sovereign Court

I'd suggest waiting to start your campaign now, and then running a few one shot games with pre-generated PCs using the beta rules to get your players used to the most basic rules.

HP, Rolling to hit and damage, skill checks, saving throws, the use of spells and the different action types probably won't change that much between now and August 13th. With pre-generated characters everyone gets a chance to try out something new they might not normally pick to play on their own.

Then, armed with a little experience about what they liked or didn't like, everyone can sit down together and learn the new rules and make characters with a bit more understanding of what they'll enjoy playing.

I'd say maybe one week for everyone to look through their books and read the rules, then one week for character creation and the campaign introduction. :)

Sovereign Court

Andre Caceres wrote:

If your using 3.5 I think it'll only be minior upgrades, going from Beta to final will involve dowgrades and you might get more objections.

A good solution, at least what I'm doing but for other reasons is slow progression to a crawl. I'm going current level X 3000 to gain a level. I want to tell multiple Adv. Paths as well as my own adv. ideas all mixed into one so going slow is a no brainer for me, and it works effectivly I'm able to tell much larger story arcs without having characters becoming too powerful too fast. For you on the other hand this will keep leveling to a minimum until you get the new ruleset and can then shift gears and convert.

TTFN DRE

Downgrades? not if they play a bard, fighter, druid or ranger... :)


Purple Dragon Knight wrote:
Andre Caceres wrote:

If your using 3.5 I think it'll only be minior upgrades, going from Beta to final will involve dowgrades and you might get more objections.

A good solution, at least what I'm doing but for other reasons is slow progression to a crawl. I'm going current level X 3000 to gain a level. I want to tell multiple Adv. Paths as well as my own adv. ideas all mixed into one so going slow is a no brainer for me, and it works effectivly I'm able to tell much larger story arcs without having characters becoming too powerful too fast. For you on the other hand this will keep leveling to a minimum until you get the new ruleset and can then shift gears and convert.

TTFN DRE

Downgrades? not if they play a bard, fighter, druid or ranger... :)

...or Monk, or Paladin.

Barbarian is more or less the same (a monster !...)

And Sorcerer is unchanged.

Only classes who have been (perceived as) slightly nerfed from the Beta are the Cleric (Domains and Channel Energy) and the Bard (Bardic Performance use = rounds per day).


I started one two weeks ago. Conversion will be nothing to worry about, I think.

I suspect it depends on your players, too, since it looks like they dialed some things back. Munchkins might ought wait, while serious roleplayers probably wouldn't have a problem starting now.

Scarab Sages

Luckily, my dm and I had a chat about the bard I will be running in our campaign in October. Since my bard is already fleshed out, powers selected, and feat progression relatively set, he knows that the new bard from the new rulebook will not allow this bard concept to be successful with what we know right now.

So he is going to run a beta rules campaign as we all read the new rule book and get used to the changes for the next campaign.

Remember, you dont have to change from beta if you dont want to. You could even tell your players that this will be the last campaign you run with beta rules, so they have a last hurrah with beta.

CC

Dark Archive Bella Sara Charter Superscriber

I'd probably wait because it's likely that the full rules will have a lot more options and neat stuff than the beta. Plus, it's almost harder to learn a slightly tweaked rules set than an entirely new rules set. I know it took us a long time to fully implement all the 3.5 changes because we were so used to 3.0 when it was released. It's just so easy to confuse two similar sets of rules, and you'll likely find yourself asking "wait, is that the way it works in the beta or the final version."

In the meantime, you could have your players come up with their character backgrounds and things of that nature, which are not rules dependent.

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