I don't like SciFi's new name. It reminds me of a disease.
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I think the change is ridiculous. If they're trying to re-brand themselves, all they seem to have accomplished was irritating a large part of their core audience while not appealling enough to their new expanded target audience to make it worthwhile. (Hmm... that sounds familiar for some reason.)
Spending all that money to rebrand and own the name was, IMO a mistake because really, they did kind of own the name Sci-fi... they just didn't realize it.
True, it was never going to be theirs in a legally protectable way, but I say sci-fi, you say channel. Sci-fi... Channel. Sci-Fi... Channel. If someone asked you what cable channel had science fiction content you'd say Sci-Fi Channel. That's the kind of dominant association a company needs and they had it in spades.
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syfylis......
it started with a single kiss,
but now, it even hurts to piss,
oh, I believe,
in syfylis...
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Spending all that money to rebrand and own the name was, IMO a mistake because really, they did kind of own the name Sci-fi... they just didn't realize it.
True, it was never going to be theirs in a legally protectable way, but I say sci-fi, you say channel. Sci-fi... Channel. Sci-Fi... Channel. If someone asked you what cable channel had science fiction content you'd say Sci-Fi Channel. That's the kind of dominant association a company needs and they had it in spades.
This is a pretty weak argument and IMO it boils down to, 'I just don't like the funny spelling'.
The context of your view is entirely from the point of a spoken conversation. In which instance NOTHING has changed. SyFy sounds EXACTLY like SciFi (unless you insist on being facetious, which is really your problem, not theirs). The only thing that has changed at this point is their logo, well that and the fact that they can and do now own the rights to thier name. I find it incredible that so many people view this as a Bad Thing™. Now if their programing takes a huge left turn away from the genre THEN I could see folks getting upset, but at this point it just sounds like a bunch of pointless kvetching.
It was my understanding part of this re-branding was to go after more than just Sci Fi fans. They wanted to change the name because it was off putting to non Sci Fi fans. I figure it is only a matter of time before they turn into another Spike TV channel.
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It was my understanding part of this re-branding was to go after more than just Sci Fi fans. They wanted to change the name because it was off putting to non Sci Fi fans. I figure it is only a matter of time before they turn into another Spike TV channel.
Surely they could start a "Non/anti-Sci-fi" channel instead?
Cheers! :D
Surely they could start a "Non/anti-Sci-fi" channel instead?
And have to build a viewer base from scratch?
Spending all that money to rebrand and own the name was, IMO a mistake because really, they did kind of own the name Sci-fi... they just didn't realize it.
True, it was never going to be theirs in a legally protectable way, but I say sci-fi, you say channel. Sci-fi... Channel. Sci-Fi... Channel. If someone asked you what cable channel had science fiction content you'd say Sci-Fi Channel. That's the kind of dominant association a company needs and they had it in spades.
This is a pretty weak argument and IMO it boils down to, 'I just don't like the funny spelling'.
The context of your view is entirely from the point of a spoken conversation. In which instance NOTHING has changed. SyFy sounds EXACTLY like SciFi (unless you insist on being facetious, which is really your problem, not theirs). The only thing that has changed at this point is their logo, well that and the fact that they can and do now own the rights to thier name. I find it incredible that so many people view this as a Bad Thing™. Now if their programing takes a huge left turn away from the genre THEN I could see folks getting upset, but at this point it just sounds like a bunch of pointless kvetching.
IMO, you say? Zip up, sir, your ardor is showing.
I didn't say anything about the funny spelling. I also didn't say that Sy-Fy's choice upset me. But you know my innermost thoughts and have decided that my argument is disingenuous because it adds layers of camouflaging rationalization to what it secretly just a primal hatred of alternate spellings? ESP... what a burden, huh? You're projecting, and rudely so.
I know some of the people professionally who were involved with changing the name, and so it mattered enough for me to bother thinking about. I didn't join an "I despise Sy-Fy's new name and I live to sunder Darkwolf's good sensibilities' fan page on Facebook. I merely formed a quick opinion based on the few facts I've heard is all. Sy-Fy made their choice. They bought that name from another company I've worked with for a hefty sum, and I just so happen to think that it wasn't a necessary investment.
What CourtFool says rings a bell, but I don't have any sense, even given those parameters, that this particular name change is the winning strategy to cure what ails their future ratings plan. My blase opinion is based on a whim of the moment, a couple bits of known info, and some small degree of acumen in market research and branding, not passion followed by the hyperbolic psychoanalysis of any who see things differently (although this post is exactly that... hee hee... as parody). Please don't lose sleep over anything I ever say. You'll find I don't use a lot of exclamation points or all caps. Just a guy who thought he'd return to the boards and chime in on something without attracting battery on his one day off this month. Ah but you know what they say, "The best laid schemes of The Jade... well they beam with gratitude the next morning and make him breakfast in bed."
And I disagree with the context of my view being spoken conversation only. Sure, a great company can make any name work, but the exact spelling of a particular company's name not easily intuited after hearing it in conversation creates one extra layer of destination complexity between customers and company. I can certainly walk a brush covered nature trail, but I can sprint on pavement.
I find it amazing that some people react with vociferous negativity in orders of magnitude to rather small displays of dislike for something that's not even personal to anyone involved. One wonders how the irony escapes these perpetrators of such righteous positivity.
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Now if their programing takes a huge left turn away from the genre THEN I could see folks getting upset, but at this point it just sounds like a bunch of pointless kvetching.
You mean like showing pro wrestling, paranormal reality shows, and endless bad monster movies? Oh wait, we're already there :)
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IMO, you say? Zip up, sir, your ardor is showing.
I didn't say anything about the funny spelling. I also didn't say that Sy-Fy's choice upset me. But you know my innermost thoughts and have decided that my argument is disingenuous because it adds layers of camouflaging rationalization to what it secretly just a primal hatred of alternate spellings? ESP... what a burden, huh? You're projecting, and rudely so.
Interpreting, not projecting. As for rude? Not intentionally, but I'll concede that it could be taken that way.
What CourtFool says rings a bell, but I don't have any sense, even given those parameters, that this particular name change is the winning strategy to cure what ails their future ratings plan. My blase opinion is based on a whim of the moment, a couple bits of known info, and some small degree of acumen in market research and branding, not passion followed by the hyperbolic psychoanalysis of any who see things differently (although this post is exactly that... hee hee... as parody). Please don't lose sleep over anything I ever say. You'll find I don't use a lot of exclamation points or all caps. Just a guy who thought he'd return to the boards and chime in on something without attracting battery on his one day off this month. Ah but you know what they say, "The best laid schemes of The Jade... well they beam with gratitude the next morning and make him breakfast in bed."
Who's projecting now? But that's ok, no need to concern yourself about my rest, I can't recall the last time I lost sleep due to someone taking offense at something I posted on a messageboard.
And I disagree with the context of my view being spoken conversation only. Sure, a great company can make any name work, but the exact spelling of a particular company's name not easily intuited after hearing it in conversation creates one extra layer of destination complexity between customers and company. I can certainly walk a brush covered nature trail, but I can sprint on pavement.
And finally we get to the bit that actually applies to my post. A disagreement about the context of your comment. What I replied to was my understanding of what you said. Now if I was incorrect about your meaning, wouldn't it have been easier and more constructive to clarify where my understanding may have been flawed? I don't know, that's just me thinking.
I find it amazing that some people react with vociferous negativity in orders of magnitude to rather small displays of dislike for something that's not even personal to anyone involved. One wonders how the irony escapes these perpetrators of such righteous positivity.
Irony. Yes indeed. I couldn't agree more.
Oh, and the whole 'righteous indignation' thing... really doesn't work when you've responded in kind.
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Ugh, pro wrestling...
plus SyFy said they didn't care about us geeks...just like Wizards decided they didn't care about grognards...
it's gone downhill since they introduced wrestling to the line-up...over SG-1 and SG-Atlantis...lame!
Wrestling is make believe, but not really science fiction, true it's fiction, and the follow the rules of physics to not get hurt...but c'mon you can't hit a guy with your fist in the face 16 times and not open the skin...boxers open each others faces up and they wear huge gloves...
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Now if their programing takes a huge left turn away from the genre THEN I could see folks getting upset, but at this point it just sounds like a bunch of pointless kvetching.You mean like showing pro wrestling, paranormal reality shows, and endless bad monster movies? Oh wait, we're already there :)
Ya know, I must not watch must 'SyFy', because until this week I didn't even know about the wrestling. At least the bad reality shows and paranormal monster movies are on the fringes of the genre.
Righteous indignation works for me because you came after me, and wrongly so. It doesn't work for you because you were the offender taking offense to what you thought you saw that wasn't really there. Do you understand that?
I think you are projecting actually, because a mere interpretation of my nothing of a post should not have disturbed you to the point it did with that tear down and that subtle name calling (insist on being facetious? Why I don't even know what that word means, sir). Something about my post dredged up something kind of ugly and you shot it my way. Funny how you still haven't apologized for what you started. I always apologize when upon realizing I either misspoke or jumped somebody on error. You can find me sincerely apologizing to Kobold Cleaver on Mikaze's post just last week.
For you to say that I didn't properly convey my full meaning, which caused you to flail at me, does not make my particular defense against your flailing non constructive. You were insulting and it's there for all to see so why argue it? I'm not required or expected to be fully civil in the face of a jerky, provocative post (I'm not calling you a jerk, but that was a jerky post). At what point do you just take responsibility for your poor approach? Your reply smacks of debate club, but we're not in debate club, and if we were it didn't go quite as planned, did it?
Reread your post and just apologize. I will accept it and we can move on.
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Yeah, and what's with the intensely crappy lineup of dull & lame shows? I mean i suffered through Stargate SG1. I used to call it the SG1 channel as that was all that was ever freakin' on half the time. LOL Now me? I was a fan of the Dresden Files!
Mind you sci-fi dropped it, why? Because it was actually a good show. Keep in mind if it's crap they keep it. If it rocks, they roll it... and keep rolling it right out the door.
What's with the wrestling? I mean they have a WWE Channel so why not put it there, just seems out of place in my opinion. Hey maybe WWE needs to put it on Vh1 as another reality drama series (which it is anyway).
Man I remember when the old Incredible Hulk TV series was on that channel, and classic trek. While i'm at it, I'm still miffed at Cartoon Network for never even airing a single D&D cartoon, or keeping Mike Young's revised Masters of the Universe on the air.
Here's hoping the deathknell for Syfy comes sooner, rather than later.
I apologize sorry for being a Blue Meany :-(.
Reread your post and just apologize. I will accept it and we can move on.
I have nothing but forgiveness for you... and I've always liked the big blue meanies.
It's my friends B'day and we came out from AZ to spend it in NY so I'm going out for a few hours. When I arrive back, I'll be sporting a fire retardant jock. ;)
Reread your post and just apologize. I will accept it and we can move on.
You shall get no such satisfaction from me, you stuck-up, half-witted, scruffy-looking nerf-herder!
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Righteous indignation works for me because you came after me, and wrongly so. It doesn't work for you because you were the offender taking offense to what you thought you saw that wasn't really there. Do you understand that?
I didn’t ‘come after you’. I disagreed with your post and you took it as a personal attack. Yes, I called the argument weak and likened it to b$@@%ing; I did NOT attack you personally. Do you understand that?
I think you are projecting actually, because a mere interpretation of my nothing of a post should not have disturbed you to the point it did with that tear down and that subtle name calling (insist on being facetious? Why I don't even know what that word means, sir). Something about my post dredged up something kind of ugly and you shot it my way. Funny how you still haven't apologized for what you started. I always apologize when upon realizing I either misspoke or jumped somebody on error. You can find me sincerely apologizing to Kobold Cleaver on Mikaze's post just last week.
Two things here, 1) the facetious bit was actually directed to at the OP’s syphilis comparison, not towards you at all. 2) I also apologize when I am wrong, and for the not being clear where that was directed I do apologize. The rest I stand by as my honestly non-hostile response to your post.
For you to say that I didn't properly convey my full meaning, which caused you to flail at me, does not make my particular defense against your flailing non constructive. You were insulting and it's there for all to see so why argue it? I'm not required or expected to be fully civil in the face of a jerky, provocative post (I'm not calling you a jerk, but that was a jerky post). At what point do you just take responsibility for your poor approach? Your reply smacks of debate club, but we're not in debate club, and if we were it didn't go quite as planned, did it?
Flail? Did I flail? Hardly. You must come from a pretty sheltered corner of the internet. I have posted some pretty jerky posts over the years, that wouldn’t even register on the scale.
Reread your post and just apologize. I will accept it and we can move on.
How about we just move on? You obviously see much more hostility in my post than I do, I bear you no personal malice, but I will not be bullied into apologizing for such a small slight that was not intended.
Peace, I hope we meet again under more agreeable circumstances.
I do hope Darkwolf and I don't get a warning from the overseers here, because I think everyone is obeying the Queensbury rules, but I will abide.
Darkwolf, for the small portion of your words that conceded things sans apology, um... thanks. Although if you concede possibly unintentional rudeness, why would you not be sorry for your vague delivery? What, are you an agent of unintentional rudeness? I heard your armies were amassed on the border but I didn't want to believe it.
I had a feeling you might take issue with the word flail, because it wasn't a literal usage. Avoiding semantical concerns, I was describing the conversational flow as I saw it. But it's legitimate that the word seems innappropriate to you since you perceive your words arrived with minimal effort and dispassion, and that's fine. I truly believe you see it that way. However, as I interpreted it, and defined it, and certainly your mileage may vary, there was some flailing. Every time you come back with a zinger instead of a reconciliation for this tiny altercation, which could be reached in seconds with but an ounce of humility on the aggressor's part, I dubbed it a flail. If it ain't a flail then you've got me dead to rights for using an imprecise word in an otherwise gorgeous paragraph, but latching onto only the parts of my response easily fired back on is likely to drag this on, waving to resolve as it passes by. I know by furthering this conversation I leave myself open for the, 'Hey, I said peace and everything so this guy is just riding me cuz he's in love with himself and loves drama' angle, but you said peace after suggesting I was sheltered, which is another knock.
Spinning my words back at me... "Do you understand that?" It may sound good to say, but no, no I do not actually understand that. I do see the posts you say do not personally direct hostility at me personal and hostile. Go figure. Nothing worthy of having you institutionalized, but enough to try and get you to see what you did there and ka-wit it? Sure. And then you go and guess that I must be sheltered. That seems like the same sour fare as earlier in a different wrapper. Are you a personal assumptions enthusiast? If so, it's the single reason why we're even talking now. I don' think I'm sheltered. I think I just have a habit of demanding respect and courtesy when someone leaps out to bake my biscuit with pejorative tone and ALL CAPPING for some innocuous post of mine. All those people posted and you chose to call out mine? Behave.
I'd think it sheltered if someone went around spouting unearned, sudden citicisms without expecting to be called on it occasionally. To say you've been jerkier elsewhere is irrelevent. So have I. I've killed seven people in the last month and just by exhaling, bro, but I'm talking about this go 'round right here, not my affinity for garlic.
You say some of your hostility is toward the OP, but you only quoted me. So me asking for an apology for some of your admittedly misdirected, caustic tone is somehow bullying? Where's that alleged apolgizing you do when it's deserved? That said, I do agree with you that Nasty Pajamas should be the sole source of your scorn. Have at.
I do believe that this is the most courteous flamewar I have ever seen!
But make no mistake, DW, that is indeed what you have initiated. You set it off with your aggressive comments, and then perpetuated it by your refusal to apologize or to back down.
Whether you are justified in so doing is between you two. It is none of my business, and I will henceforth stay completely out of this (remarkably civilized) debate.
I do believe that this is the most courteous flamewar I have ever seen!
But make no mistake, DW, that is indeed what you have initiated. You set it off with your aggressive comments, and then perpetuated it by your refusal to apologize or to back down.
Whether you are justified in so doing is between you two. It is none of my business, and I will henceforth stay completely out of this (remarkably civilized) debate.
Nevertheless you pay both of us a great compliment, Invader Smee, but one just as aptly indicative of the high bar Paizo.com posters have set for these most esteemed of forums. Stay classy, Golarion!
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"ribbit"
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I did.
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I didn't know that.
If that's true then you just thought you didn't know that. You create those type of associations around the block and back. Got one of dem dere repository type brains.
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.....just apologize. I will accept it and we can move on.I'm confused. Why does Jade want Heathy to apologize to me for something this Dark Wolf guy said about Eric Mona liking Britney Spears and smelling like wet socks?
I think it has to do with the morning childhood distances of the paradise next to the multiplied birth and the structure which surfaces beside the surname. The gradual raid graduates under the fighter.
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syfylis......
it started with a single kiss,
but now, it even hurts to piss,
oh, I believe,
in syfylis...
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