Long time lurker; first time poster.
Has anyone used the double feats using PFRPG? BOEM uses the variant that each class gains a new feat each level. However, I'd like to remain with the option of gaining a new feat every other level. But I've found it difficult for the situation to occur when a PC has two available feat slots to spend when leveling (aside from 1st level) to plan accordingly. I'd like to read about how others are accomodating these into their campaigns.
Thanks!
Hm... I don't know. Split the feats. Or give them some extra prerequisites that amount to a wasted feat slot.
Hm... I don't know. Split the feats. Or give them some extra prerequisites that amount to a wasted feat slot.
Since we're talking primarily about the Fighter class, do you have an example how you'd do the extra prerequisites? I'm trying to think that one through, but I think the heat's getting to me today. :)
Hm... I don't know. Split the feats. Or give them some extra prerequisites that amount to a wasted feat slot.Since we're talking primarily about the Fighter class, do you have an example how you'd do the extra prerequisites? I'm trying to think that one through, but I think the heat's getting to me today. :)
Well, if the double feat was "Crane Whirlwind Kick of Death", you could make an "Crane Whirlwind Training" feat, that does some tiny portion of the double feat, ignored when they take the full feat.
It would somewhat encourage the player to take a single level in some other class, to make the fighter feats hit the same time as the regular feats.
Well, if the double feat was "Crane Whirlwind Kick of Death", you could make an "Crane Whirlwind Training" feat, that does some tiny portion of the double feat, ignored when they take the full feat.
It would somewhat encourage the player to take a single level in some other class, to make the fighter feats hit the same time as the regular feats.
I see where you're coming from. It kind of reminds me of an option available from the Book Of Iron Might by Mike Mearls where there were feats available where you had to plan [a commitment] for them two levels before being available to meet its prerequsities and you get a limited version of the feat. But that wouldn't necessarily be burning two feat slots, though. Hm...
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That's a pretty good idea...
I love the concept of the BoEM double feats for melee types...though I dislike excluding the other melee types, the extra feats that fighters gain are enough of a boon to me. (perhaps giving set bonuses to fighters, that make them better than they are for other melee classes)
(I however am not a fan of 20 levels of spellcasting)
(I however am not a fan of 20 levels of spellcasting)
I understand the intent behind its application, but I agree with you there. At least information was provided as to how to determine which spells correspond to which levels in the traditional 9-level progression if there are a couple of spells there that seem interesting enough to drop in your campaign.
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Since the double feats were intended to be more powerful and only accessible by characters who get a regular feat and a class bonus feat at the same level, make them Fighter Only feats. The fighter class was the only class that regularly had two feats at the same level, so say these feats can only be taken as fighter bonus feats. It'll give them something more to call their own.
This means, essentially,
that only fighters can gain double feats, for only members of
this class may have two slots available at once.
And personally, I never intended to charge two feat slots for those feats myself. I just don't see them being that powerful. So Fighter Only is the way I'd go with it.
And personally, I never intended to charge two feat slots for those feats myself. I just don't see them being that powerful. So Fighter Only is the way I'd go with it.
I re-read the section last night and I'm beginning to come to the same conclusion too. I also had thought about allowing the PC to use the retraining option in PHBII and freeing up a feat slot to spend a double feat slot would give him the double feat. But after re-reading them, they're definitely not as powerful (like those uberfeats) that would really warrant two slots to spend. Otherwise, I guess I could also raise the BAB and/or include a fighter level prereq to qualify for it.
Thanks, everyone!
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Glad you came to the same conclusion I got. I also don't follow the 'retire' rule for the uberfeats. You've already paid the hard prerequisites, there's no need to give them up now. Setting uberfeats as only accessible by +16-18 BAB fighters is more than enough without taking other things from them. Hope your players have a lot of fun with them!