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Is it just me, or does the image of the teifling in the fight scene from todays blog look exactly like a 4th edition teifling. I have no problem with it per se, but I'm hoping that this isn't going to be the permanent look of de facto teifling art. I mean I don't mind the occasional teifling looking like that, but I thought teiflings appearance varied teifling to teifling. so one might have horns and a tail and the next have fangs a long claws etc.
Was this intentional or was this just a happenstance of someone who does art for both edition seeing oh i need to draw a teifling and drawing it like that from 4ed habit?
I hope we continue to see a good amount of variety in tiefling appearance.
At least the color in the blog post is not 4lesh, but a nice, devilish red.
Do tell, Mikaze.
Is it just me, or does the image of the teifling in the fight scene from todays blog look exactly like a 4th edition teifling.
Or... did WotC take the image of the 4E teifling from Paizo's iconic teifling fighter from the Age of Worms Dungeon magazine era?
Well, since we have seen teifling images a bit in previous adventures and this is the first time I've seen this kind, I do believe that they are varied enough for myself.
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Is it just me, or does the image of the teifling in the fight scene from todays blog look exactly like a 4th edition teifling.Or... did WotC take the image of the 4E teifling from Paizo's iconic teifling fighter from the Age of Worms Dungeon magazine era?
Sorry haven't seen every cover released for every dungeon magazine ever.
Is it just me, or does the image of the teifling in the fight scene from todays blog look exactly like a 4th edition teifling.Or... did WotC take the image of the 4E teifling from Paizo's iconic teifling fighter from the Age of Worms Dungeon magazine era?Sorry haven't seen every cover released for every dungeon magazine ever.
Hence the link?
I should say I was judging form the minis. Are the miniatures and the illustrations congruent?
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Hence the link?Is it just me, or does the image of the teifling in the fight scene from todays blog look exactly like a 4th edition teifling.Or... did WotC take the image of the 4E teifling from Paizo's iconic teifling fighter from the Age of Worms Dungeon magazine era?Sorry haven't seen every cover released for every dungeon magazine ever.
Oh I appreciated the link, I was just saying that I wasn't aware of that when I posted it and I guess I thought his post came across as dismissive of my point which he probably wasn't trying to be joys of the internet and all. But in that mag cover the horns are away from the forhead and a different color completely from the flesh. in 4ed the horns are the same color as the skin in the art I've seen and start right above the eyes, so the art in the blog seems closer to the 4ed art than the dungeon mag art.
Off-topic but, isn't Lem using its flute to hit that thing!?! 'Wouldn't want to put my lips near that again...
OK. Don't have the 4e PH, I still look at the minis (haven't bought any except monsters, though) so I was basing my observations solely on the minis.
I think they're shooting for the "outspawn looks are as varied as the outsiders that spawn them" thing.
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Off-topic but, isn't Lem using its flute to hit that thing!?! 'Wouldn't want to put my lips near that again...Surely one melee strike doesn't break the 10-second rule.
My favourite part about that rule is that it keeps getting longer. I used to use the 2-second rule. Is this a sign that our culture is becoming less hygienic?
This anonymous poster thinks so.
Sorry haven't seen every cover released for every dungeon magazine ever.
Well, you won't be bored this weekend then, now will you?
You know what to do. Better start in early.
I didn't see any big tail,taking a look at the picture a second time, that could either be a tail or part of his cloak,
I say it's a boot.
Off-topic but, isn't Lem using its flute to hit that thing!?! 'Wouldn't want to put my lips near that again...
Heh, reminds me of "You kiss your mother with that mouth?"
Lem does it because he's a professional. A real artist. Not a gutless little brat wannabee musician.... ;-P
This flute? That's nothing compared to the things I had to put my lips near to make it in showbiz!
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OK. Don't have the 4e PH, I still look at the minis (haven't bought any except monsters, though) so I was basing my observations solely on the minis.
Heh, opposite ends of the spectrum eh, well in the PH the skin tone ranges from a pinkish red fleshy tone to a dark red devlish tone, so yeah the art in the blog matches the PH.
Like I said, no biggie, I just don't want to loose lavender lils (who even had horns and a tail, just not the 4ed version) or my wife's tiefling which had horns at the top of her head (coming in over the ears and pointing up and no tail but pointed teeth, she wore caps on her teeth and had an afro to cover her horns hee hee hee. So I worry when the art starts to consitently show the same teifling because then people start to think they all look the same. which is only true in 4ed.
Was this intentional or was this just a happenstance of someone who does art for both edition seeing oh i need to draw a teifling and drawing it like that from 4ed habit?
Shhhhhshshshsh. Don't worry, don't worry. Mama knows child.
The character being illustrated is one of the villains from Bastards of Erebus, a tiefling cleric of Asmodeus meant to look particularly diabolical. Which pretty much means red skin, horns, and black hair - you know, kind of like the way Asmodeus looks. If two different artists having similar ideas about what traits typify a devilish archetype seems weird, well, that's probably a case for Dr. Jung. Also, for anyone is worrying that this picture of one tiefling means now ALL tieflings look like that, remember this is not Golarion's first tiefling.
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Off-topic but, isn't Lem using its flute to hit that thing!?! 'Wouldn't want to put my lips near that again...Surely one melee strike doesn't break the 10-second rule.My favourite part about that rule is that it keeps getting longer. I used to use the 2-second rule. Is this a sign that our culture is becoming less hygienic?
This anonymous poster thinks so.
The bad thing is that I originally typed 30-second rule. I just didn't want anyone to get ideas about me.
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Not a hobo, I swear.
a case for Dr. Jung.
Dr. who?
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Was this intentional or was this just a happenstance of someone who does art for both edition seeing oh i need to draw a teifling and drawing it like that from 4ed habit?I think this is being over thought. The character being illustrated is one of the villains from Bastards of Erebus, a tiefling cleric of Asmodeus meant to look particularly diabolical. Which pretty much means red skin, horns, and black hair - you know, kind of like the way Asmodeus looks. If two different artists having similar ideas about what traits typify a devilish archetype seems weird, well, that's probably a case for Dr. Jung. Also, for anyone having a knee jerk worry that this picture of one tiefling means now ALL tieflings look like that, remember this is not Golarion's first tiefling.
HAHAHAHAHAHA first I ninja'd the Bulmahn and Now I've Ninjad the schneider. Soon my ninja skills will have taken control of the paizo office MWAHAHAHAHa
Off-topic but, isn't Lem using its flute to hit that thing!?! 'Wouldn't want to put my lips near that again...Surely one melee strike doesn't break the 10-second rule.My favourite part about that rule is that it keeps getting longer. I used to use the 2-second rule. Is this a sign that our culture is becoming less hygienic?
This anonymous poster thinks so.
The bad thing is that I originally typed 30-second rule. I just didn't want anyone to get ideas about me.
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Not a hobo, I swear.
Heh. A guy in our group once played a barbarian who, having found some food left on the ground by some monster we had just killed, grabbed it, claiming, "Five minute rule!"
Who? No!a case for Dr. Jung.Dr. who?
Dr. No?
Heh. A guy in our group once played a barbarian who, having found some food left on the ground by some monster we had just killed, grabbed it, claiming, "Five minute rule!"Off-topic but, isn't Lem using its flute to hit that thing!?! 'Wouldn't want to put my lips near that again...Surely one melee strike doesn't break the 10-second rule.My favourite part about that rule is that it keeps getting longer. I used to use the 2-second rule. Is this a sign that our culture is becoming less hygienic?
This anonymous poster thinks so.
The bad thing is that I originally typed 30-second rule. I just didn't want anyone to get ideas about me.
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Not a hobo, I swear.
See, there's rules even a Protean won't break. Like this.
Edit: Hm.. that came out all wrong. Proteans don't even observet hat rule.
Meaning they eat from clean plates. Some things are just a matter of principle.
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One thing to keep in mind is that there's a LOT of crossover among artists who work for Paizo and Wizards of the Coast (and other RPG companies too). As a result, you'll see art styles from WotC products creep into Paizo products now and then, and vice versa. In fact, the "look" for Tieflings that 4th edition currently has bears a pretty strong resemblance to the tiefling we used in Dungeon for a long time, with the sideways pointing horns.
There are a few tieflings in Bastards of Erebus that look similar to the more standardized look of tieflings in 4th edition, yes, but that's to be expected, especially, as Wes says above, since the concept of a devilish/demonic/whatever human is already pretty much a relatively narrow look for these characters.
ALSO: There's a LOT of tiefling art associated with the game now that they're a core race in 4th edition... that's going to influence all artists in the industry in some way, for good or ill. We'll continue having a pretty varied look among our tieflings, in any event, since they ARE supposed to be pretty different from one to another.
Oh I appreciated the link, I was just saying that I wasn't aware of that when I posted it and I guess I thought his post came across as dismissive of my point which he probably wasn't trying to be joys of the internet and all.
Just trying to be helpful and present a different reference point (hence the link). So much for benefit of the doubt, huh...
The 4E tiefling has, over time, differed from the Dungeon tiefling along the lines that you stated, but if you look at William O'Connor's early 4E concept sketches of the tiefling, she looks closer to the Dungeon tiefling. It's fairly obvious that is where they took direction from; which is not to say that's bad, as it's a great tiefling to draw inspiration from.
Perhaps I may be of zervize, ja?
My favourite part about that rule is that it keeps getting longer. I used to use the 2-second rule. Is this a sign that our culture is becoming less hygienic?
This anonymous poster thinks so.
Considering that I was in the military, if it doesn't crawl away after hitting the ground, it is still edible.
Of course, in this case, I think he is striking with the musical end and not the mouthpiece. Still, I would scrub the mouthpiece in alcohol after the fight...just to be sure.
Oh I appreciated the link, I was just saying that I wasn't aware of that when I posted it and I guess I thought his post came across as dismissive of my point which he probably wasn't trying to be joys of the internet and all. But in that mag cover the horns are away from the forhead and a different color completely from the flesh. in 4ed the horns are the same color as the skin in the art I've seen and start right above the eyes, so the art in the blog seems closer to the 4ed art than the dungeon mag art.
Ah; I thought you had missed it. Carry on. :)
Please no eyebrow horns. I abhore the gigantic, elephant-man-esque brow-tumors on the 4e tiefling. And that's not saying anything about how the 4e tieflings all have the same, monolithic appearance and origin story rather than the effectively infinite variation the classic 2e and 3e tieflings had. I like that flexibility of form.
And here's some random art of a tiefling from my current campaign:
First picture
Second picture
Nice.
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Good lord! That is just messed up! Never played a Tiefling. I do like Aasimars. Too bad they are all but dead. Do they even exist in Golarion?
Yep, and if they follow their 2E/3.x counterparts as well as the tieflings, they should come in wildly varying flavors as well. Lillend in the family somewhere? Scales on the legs. Planetar blood? Greenish skin and hereditary alopecia. Ancestor got freaky with an archon? Well, just hope it wasn't a Hound.
I've had arguably insane CN Nisha who had horns, prehensile semi-reptilian tail, and goat legs. I've also had a LG paladin of Nephthys tiefer who had rams horns and some scales. Then there was the baernaloth Tellura Ibn Shartalan who usually adopted the outward form of a tiefling (or aasimar) girl with a lame/crippled left leg, with an independently moving (and tangibly acting) shadow.
Those are the two and kinda three that I immediately remember.
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Please no eyebrow horns. I abhore the gigantic, elephant-man-esque brow-tumors on the 4e tiefling. And that's not saying anything about how the 4e tieflings all have the same, monolithic appearance and origin story rather than the effectively infinite variation the classic 2e and 3e tieflings had. I like that flexibility of form.
And here's some random art of a tiefling from my current campaign:
First picture
Second picture
Very very nice work. I love how different tieflings can look.