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I grew up with his music.
So what if he was a pedophile? I liked him for his music, not his quality as a human being. All artists are the same, name me an artist who isn't alcoholic, or a drug addict, or a smuggler, or tax-evader, or has self-image issues, or anorexic or gay or whatever. He wasn't more evil (nor less) than the rest. While I don't doubt the fact that was a pervert, I call BS on at least half of american parents who were suddenly all crying "me too me too!". At least now those vultures won't see a penny of his money.
All artists are the same, name me an artist who isn't alcoholic, or a drug addict, or a smuggler, or tax-evader, or has self-image issues, or anorexic or gay or whatever.
You gave me an idea for a bard NPC... ;)
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I grew up with his music.
So what if he was a pedophile? I liked him for his music, not his quality as a human being. All artists are the same, name me an artist who isn't alcoholic, or a drug addict, or a smuggler, or tax-evader, or has self-image issues, or anorexic or gay or whatever. He wasn't more evil (nor less) than the rest. While I don't doubt the fact that was a pervert, I call BS on at least half of american parents who were suddenly all crying "me too me too!". At least now those vultures won't see a penny of his money.
I personally am uncomfortable with the way america idolizes and cherishes someone who is generally accepted as a pedophile. It bothers me greatly that we can forgive someone such incredible wrongs because they are a star.
I know that others disagree and it is of course their right. The specials running today that seem to be only focusing on the highlights of his career while completely ignoring his other actions disgust me. Imagine how the victims feel as he hold up an "american idol".
Tam
F'ing pedophile, I don't care how much he contributed to music and dance there isn't any way this creep deserves to celebrated or prasied. His death just makes his children and the world safer.
For those who find this post harsh just wait til one of your kids is molested and you'll turn to my point of view.
F'ing pedophile, I don't care how much he contributed to music and dance there isn't any way this creep deserves to celebrated or prasied. His death just makes his children and the world safer.
For those who find this post harsh just wait til one of your kids is molested and you'll turn to my point of view.
Hey now, none of that, you'll be called a ghoulish gloater and then penis jokes will be tossed around. Do any of us really want that?
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I personally am uncomfortable with the way america idolizes and cherishes someone who is generally accepted as a pedophile. It bothers me greatly that we can forgive someone such incredible wrongs because they are a star.
Tam
Well, we SF fans have enjoyed the work of Arthur C. Clarke, an admitted pedophile.
It's useful sometimes to distinguish between an artist and the art.
I personally am uncomfortable with the way america idolizes and cherishes someone who is generally accepted as a pedophile. It bothers me greatly that we can forgive someone such incredible wrongs because they are a star.
TamWell, we SF fans have enjoyed the work of Arthur C. Clarke, an admitted pedophile.
It's useful sometimes to distinguish between an artist and the art.
You mean "admitted pedophile" as in the British tabloid The Sunday Mirror printed an incorrect interview, which they later had to retract and the Sri Lankan authorities found no evidence of wrongdoings on behalf of Arthur C. Clarke. That kind of "admitted pedophile"?
I personally am uncomfortable with the way america idolizes and cherishes someone who is generally accepted as a pedophile. It bothers me greatly that we can forgive someone such incredible wrongs because they are a star.
TamWell, we SF fans have enjoyed the work of Arthur C. Clarke, an admitted pedophile.
It's useful sometimes to distinguish between an artist and the art.
Didn't know that. Glad I only read one of his books, and didn't like it very much.
I'm sorry, I can't separate the artist from the art. And while MJ was acquitted in THAT particular case, he has in interviews said he likes sleeping with young children (not his) in his bed, and sees nothing wrong with that. And that sort of person never does see that sort of behavior as wrong. In my opinion (and I am a cynical SOB), this is the best thing that could have happened for his kids.
I personally am uncomfortable with the way america idolizes and cherishes someone who is generally accepted as a pedophile. It bothers me greatly that we can forgive someone such incredible wrongs because they are a star.
TamWell, we SF fans have enjoyed the work of Arthur C. Clarke, an admitted pedophile.
It's useful sometimes to distinguish between an artist and the art.
Didn't know that. Glad I only read one of his books, and didn't like it very much.
I'm sorry, I can't separate the artist from the art. And while MJ was acquitted in THAT particular case, he has in interviews said he likes sleeping with young children (not his) in his bed, and sees nothing wrong with that. And that sort of person never does see that sort of behavior as wrong. In my opinion (and I am a cynical SOB), this is the best thing that could have happened for his kids.
As GentleGiant said above, Clarke was innocent of those charges. With MJ we'll never know the real truth. IMHO, I think he was innocent. The kids' parents were trying to make a buck.
There probably need to be three threads: One for fans/condolences/commiserating, one for arguing about the controversy, and another one for MJ humor.
Well, we SF fans have enjoyed the work of Arthur C. Clarke, an admitted pedophile.
It's useful sometimes to distinguish between an artist and the art.
Myself, I'm still waiting for the eventual paternity tests to be done on MJ's three children.
There probably need to be three threads: [snip] and another one for MJ humor.
I've actually seen a few rather humorous ones, slightly morbid and certainly inappropriate in a RIP thread, yes, but funny nonetheless.
There probably need to be three threads: [snip] and another one for MJ humor.I've actually seen a few rather humorous ones, slightly morbid and certainly inappropriate in a RIP thread, yes, but funny nonetheless.
Yeah, I was just thinking that for people who might be offended, argument and humor might better go in threads that didn't say RIP. I'm all for all three, actually, just a suggestion to maximize community happiness.
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I personally am uncomfortable with the way america idolizes and cherishes someone who is generally accepted as a pedophile. It bothers me greatly that we can forgive someone such incredible wrongs because they are a star.
Tam
No argument, please accept the following as an attempt at levity:
Why does your avatar look like a skeletal Unibomber? Just sayin'...
Damn. Sorry to see him go so young. I hope he is resting peacefully.
It's terrible when anybody dies (that goes for Michael Jackson, Farrah Fawcett, Ed McMahon and your next door neighbor; sucks for anyone) but I'm pretty angry about the zealousness that everyone from the news media to my friends on Facebook are grabbing on to this. I mean, in America we have two occupations in the Middle East involving a lot of people in serious danger, a spike in violence in Iraq, serious and historical civil unrest in Iran, an economic crisis and a lot of other serious things to worry about. It's all scary and I can understand wanting to grab onto something like the circus of a controversial celebrity's death as a means of hiding from it all for as long as possible but... come on. Leave this to the tabloids, news outlets. The world is on fire, over here.
Hey, James, check out my new fiddle!
Hey, James, check out my new fiddle!
Wow! That's some nice fiddlin'! It eases the pain in my soul!
Yeah! It's great for when things are on fire.
Launches into a stirring string rendition of "Thriller."
It's terrible when anybody dies (that goes for Michael Jackson, Farrah Fawcett, Ed McMahon and your next door neighbor; sucks for anyone) but I'm pretty angry about the zealousness that everyone from the news media to my friends on Facebook are grabbing on to this. I mean, in America we have two occupations in the Middle East involving a lot of people in serious danger, a spike in violence in Iraq, serious and historical civil unrest in Iran, an economic crisis and a lot of other serious things to worry about. It's all scary and I can understand wanting to grab onto something like the circus of a controversial celebrity's death as a means of hiding from it all for as long as possible but... come on. Leave this to the tabloids, news outlets. The world is on fire, over here.
My thoughts exactly, James. When all this happened, I thought... you're kidding? A potential revolution in Iran got bumped?
The situation in Iran (or Darfur, or wherever) will be just as screwed up in 3 days' time. The King of Pop only passes away once. That may sound cynical, but there it is. I see no problem with letting America (or, really, practically the entire Western World) take a few days to grieve for one of its cultural icons. If this media blitz continues to the exclusion of all else for weeks and weeks, then we have a problem...
I don't begrudge letting the world mourn a singer they care about, but the MJ news is choking out the rest. A little balance would be nice.
I don't begrudge letting the world mourn a singer they care about, but the MJ news is choking out the rest. A little balance would be nice.
And you know it's not going to be a one day thing: we have to know the cause of his death, what friends and family think about it, what he was doing in the days leading up to his death, etc.
And while the OJ thing is being batted around (and I'm not jumping in on that one way or the other, thank you) one comparison that rings true: this stands a chance of becoming the new Simpson trial as far as 24 hour news is concerned.
Come on people have a little respect, a man just died. He contirbuted much to our modern day culture. And I don't know wether the child molestation charges are true (I doubt it I honestly think he was innocent) but have alittle respect for the dead.
I guess it's too late for three threads.
...three threads.
Pretty please?
That way I could stay out of the "[recently deceased] is going to hell ('cause I said so)" thread.
I'm remembering something that Sally Stanford wrote in her autobiography years ago, about how if there is any rumor about anything to do with sex--not proof, not conviction, just rumor--no one will ever let it die.
I'm a big fan of innocent until proven guilty, and I think all the accusers were pretty suspect. Which doesn't mean it's not possible, but in this case I think the court made the right decision because a high school debate team could have made the case for reasonable doubt.
But putting that aside, I'm going to remember Michael Jackson the same way I have for years: as a talented performer whose music I didn't care for enough to pay for but didn't make me switch channels on the radio, as the star of probably the best video ever (choreographed zombies are made of win), as an amazing dancer who could do moves you could hardly believe, and as a sad plastic surgery addict who turned what was a reasonably attractive face into a cross between Nertiti and The Joker.
The Elephant Man bones and all the rest were just P.T.Barnum-style attention-whoring used to keep himself in the media spotlight. Nothing new or even particularly interesting about them.
It's sad that he died, and even sadder that he did just before his comeback tour, which may have been awful, but I suspect would have had more than a couple good new songs. But at least he has some fellow artists who are stepping in to finish it up for him.
...three threads.Pretty please?
That way I could stay out of the "[recently deceased] is going to hell ('cause I said so)" thread.
Wish granted: There are now three threads.
The REAL RIP, Michael Jackson Thread
If you're in this thread, Caveat lector.
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...three threads.Pretty please?
That way I could stay out of the "[recently deceased] is going to hell ('cause I said so)" thread.
Wish granted: There are now three threads.
Wow! This is just like the overabundance of media coverage on his death! Maybe you could sneak a couple of threads into either the D&D 3.5 or D&D 4E boards too. :)
Heh-heh-heh...Can't wait.
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