Where are the Demodands?


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I couldn't find any mention of the demodands in The Great Beyond. Does anyone know what those selfish sadistic fiends are up to in the Pathfinder setting?

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Sadly they were victims of being cut for space. They would have appeared in the Abbadon section, immediately following the details on the Oinodaemon, since their origin was linked. Given the opportunity, I'd love to approach them in a future book.


Forgive my ignorance....But arent Demodands in the Monster Manual II or the Fiend Folio?

Im not sure which, but either way they arent in the SRD and monsters from the MM2 and FF can't appear in Pathfinder right?

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Jason Grubiak wrote:

Forgive my ignorance....But arent Demodands in the Monster Manual II or the Fiend Folio?

Im not sure which, but either way they arent in the SRD and monsters from the MM2 and FF can't appear in Pathfinder right?

They also appeared in the Tome of Horrors, which opened them up for OGL usage.


Ah ha! Thanks for the info.

And Gods bless Necromancer Games then :)


Is there a daemonic Pond of Darkness in abaddon? :D

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Jason Grubiak wrote:

Ah ha! Thanks for the info.

And Gods bless Necromancer Games then :)

And bless whichever WotC person got that agreement w/Clark before they clamped down. :-)


Todd Stewart wrote:
Sadly they were victims of being cut for space. They would have appeared in the Abbadon section, immediately following the details on the Oinodaemon, since their origin was linked. Given the opportunity, I'd love to approach them in a future book.

I pray the Paizo Lords let you write the Book of the Damned (2 or 3) that deals w/ the NE fiends, then. That much less you'd have to write from scratch ;-)

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Todd Stewart wrote:
Sadly they were victims of being cut for space. They would have appeared in the Abbadon section, immediately following the details on the Oinodaemon, since their origin was linked. Given the opportunity, I'd love to approach them in a future book.

Did you intend them to be the Oinodaemon's jailers/guardians? Is there anything more you're willing to tell us?

Um... What else wound up being cut?

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Matthew Morris wrote:
And bless whichever WotC person got that agreement w/Clark before they clamped down. :-)

I think that was Anthony Valterra.

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BenS wrote:
I pray the Paizo Lords let you write the Book of the Damned (2 or 3) that deals w/ the NE fiends, then. That much less you'd have to write from scratch ;-)

The demodands have traditionally been CE fiends, but yeah, I'd like to see Todd get another crack at them.

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Samuel Leming wrote:
Todd Stewart wrote:
Sadly they were victims of being cut for space. They would have appeared in the Abbadon section, immediately following the details on the Oinodaemon, since their origin was linked. Given the opportunity, I'd love to approach them in a future book.

Did you intend them to be the Oinodaemon's jailers/guardians? Is there anything more you're willing to tell us?

Um... What else wound up being cut?

Mind you, their details when they eventually show up may differ from my original vision if either someone else writes them, or James et al decide to go a specific, different route with them (like how the prehistory of the Abyss and the Maelstrom changed slightly from my original idea, but honestly I think it ended up better that way). Without saying everything, the demodands section riffed off of the Planescape myth of Apomps to a degree, and had the demodands as effectively the closing segment of a genocidal/suicidal circle along with the daemons - the other serpent eternally devouring its twin - and a direct extension of the Bound Prince's will and fury after the four archdaemon's seized power. Demodands would have been formed not from mortal souls directly, but only from the ritualistic sacrifice of a daemon.

As for things that were on the chopping block:

An astral location called the Temenos Spike / Jzerigoth's Dagger got chopped, some items and spells were cut, a listing of minor daemonic nobles and their loyalties to the four archdaemons were chopped, a location in the Maelstrom called the Gilded Cage was cut as well as a second location called the Ossuary (only to reappear in PF#22). Some demiplanes were cut. A sidebar on The Risen and a section on the Candleflame Chancre was cut from the Abyss section. A location on Shadow was cut. And the section on the Night Hag goddess/patron/undefined lovecraftian horror from beyond named Alazhra was cut. And I know folks will be sad, but we lost a mention of a hermaphroditic maralith servitor of Lamashtu. ;)

The lesson is that I wrote too much. We may see some of it in the future like how the Ossuary showed up in PF22 in the protean ecology. However given what remained, I cannot complain in the slightest. Some stuff had to go, and the editing job on that was pretty surgical and painless.

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Wow, I hope many of those cut items find their way into future Pathfinder modules and supplements. The locations are all very intriguing, and I'd love to hear more about Alazhra and the minor daemonic nobles.

Todd Stewart wrote:
And I know folks will be sad, but we lost a mention of a hermaphroditic maralith servitor of Lamashtu.

That's hot! Seoni who?

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Tom Qadim wrote:
Wow, I hope many of those cut items find their way into future Pathfinder modules and supplements.

Completely agree. I usually think most PF sourcebooks are just the right size but a monster expansion for the Great Beyond is just begging to see the light of day.

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Todd Stewart wrote:
And I know folks will be sad, but we lost a mention of a hermaphroditic maralith servitor of Lamashtu.

Wow. I bet things got heated between Calistria and Lamashtu during the last draft.

That and I can't help but imagine a balor living through the end of The Crying Game.

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Mikaze wrote:
Todd Stewart wrote:


That and I can't help but imagine a balor living through the end of The Crying Game.

Only if Grazz't is played by a young, polydactyl Forest Whitaker. ;)

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