Will the Steve Rodgers Captain America be returning to Marvel?
Will the Steve Rodgers Captain America be returning to Marvel?
I think that'd be AWESOME since I don't know why they EVER killed him. (However the comic-book geek in me needs to correct you... it's Steve Rogers... not "Rodgers.")
Cheers!
|
Will the Steve Rogers Captain America be returning to Marvel?
Signs say yes.
I mean, they brought Uncle Ben, Bucky, the Flash, Hal Jordan and whichever Robin the Joker killed back, so I'm just waiting for the breathless announcement that the bionic lobster Bill (from the Fallen Angels mini-series) is coming back to life...
The only question is how it will be handled. It would be interesting to see Steve end up recruiting Tony (and thus offering him a chance at redemption) to undo some of the harm done by driving superheroes underground and putting supervillains in charge of the government.
Will the Steve Rodgers Captain America be returning to Marvel?
Jean. Grey. You do the math. :)
|
|
ExceptJean's done a good job in staying in the grave this time around, though.Will the Steve Rodgers Captain America be returning to Marvel?Jean. Grey. You do the math. :)
A recent interview panel at the San Diego Comic Con confirmed that there are discussions going on at Marvel involving Jean's eventual return, however it also stated that it's a story Marvel doesn't want to rush. At the San Francisco Wondercon, when asked about Jean's future Matt Fraction told the audience "There's a little girl with red hair and green eyes in the future that you should keep your eyes on" in reference to Hope Summers. In X-Men - Kingbreaker #4, Korvus' Blade of the Phoenix loses its power and Rachel's connection to the Phoenix Echo is somehow lost. As yet, no explanation was given for what happened except for Rachel who says "Please, not now… Mom.". What happened to the Phoenix Force will be examined after “War of Kings” is over. In Uncanny X-Men #510, during the assault of the Sisterhood of Mutants, Emma Frost unexpectedly finds what seems to be Jean Grey communicating to her, and seemingly aiding Emma in overcoming an incapacitating psychic assault from Lady Mastermind. It's also revealed that the Sisterhood attack was to recover a lock of Jean's hair that Wolverine had in his possession.
See!! Thats why the X-Men ANNOY ME NOW. Jean's come back like, 3 times already, either kill her or let her live! AHHHHHHHHHH!!!!!!!!!!!
Sorry, Marvel is annoying me by trying to be "realistic" and I blame Bendis.
That's why I'm waiting for X-Men Forever -- It's Chris Clairmont, with all that entails. :) Though thankfully he said he's striving to tone down the Tolstoy-sized ballons and the every-three-issue repetitions of how Rogue "cain't touch another livin' soul or Ah'll absorb their powahs..."
See!! Thats why the X-Men ANNOY ME NOW. Jean's come back like, 3 times already, either kill her or let her live!
Well, there's this flip side to Jean coming back every time, and that is having the pleasure of seeing her DIE AGAIN! AND AGAIN! AND AGAIN! MUHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!
Did I mention I don't like her?
If a comicbook hero dies just to come back next year... did he ever really die?
The problem with the "comicbook format" is that it wasn't meant as a finite story, it goes on ad-infinitum ad-absurdum ad-nauseam (Batman has been frozen in his career's -year zero- for what? EIGHTY years?), and every ten years or so either the writers' brain finally dries up or the story gets so full of loopholes that authors see themselves forced to reboot the title in order to go back to the original premise, but they don't even bother in giving the current "period" of the title a proper closure, they just say "hey guess what? I got finally bored so starting next month we reboot"... and that is the -best case scenario-, in the worst case, the writers will come up with some ludicrous retcon that does a most excellent job of F.U.B.A.Ring suspension of disbelief completely and alienating everyone but the most rabid fanboys (I'm looking at you Spidey).
|
That's why I'm waiting for X-Men Forever -- It's Chris Clairmont, with all that entails. :) Though thankfully he said he's striving to tone down the Tolstoy-sized ballons and the every-three-issue repetitions of how Rogue "cain't touch another livin' soul or Ah'll absorb their powahs..."
What is this X-Men Forever you speak of? O_x [...and a faint hope that X-Men can be good again shines feebly within PDK's soul, as he awaits the answer...]
|
RPG Superstar 2009 Top 32, 2010 Top 8
|
That's why I'm waiting for X-Men Forever -- It's Chris Clairmont, with all that entails. :) Though thankfully he said he's striving to tone down the Tolstoy-sized ballons and the every-three-issue repetitions of how Rogue "cain't touch another livin' soul or Ah'll absorb their powahs..."What is this X-Men Forever you speak of? O_x [...and a faint hope that X-Men can be good again shines feebly within PDK's soul, as he awaits the answer...]
Personally I'm hoping this means that Magneto stays dead from X-men 1-3. To me that was the most beautiful and noble death he's had yet.
|
RPG Superstar 2009 Top 32, 2010 Top 8
|
How did he die in it?
He should have had 'death by Wolverine' a couple of issues prior, but Fabian Cortez was using his own powers to amp up Magneto's, with the side effect that it kept him alive in the short term. But since Cortez kept indicating that he was 'healing' Magneto, Eric didn't take the time to rest and heal naturally. (Think of it as constantly pulling stitches then the doctor putting them back in).
Well in the 3 issue arc, they capture some of the X-men and brain wash them using Moria's technology. What Magneto doesn't realize (and what he never lets her tell him) is that the brainwashing doesn't take on Mutants. As soon as they use their powers, it wears off. Wolverine is the first to recover (since the healing factor's 'on' all the time). The rest of the X-men fly to rescue their companions and Moria. During the big brawl, Magneto's powers go wonky and Cortez abandons ship, hoping to use Magneto's death as a ralling cry. Magneto facing the destruction of Asteroid M, goes to save the X-men and his acolytes, but the Acolytes choose to die with him. Magneto pushes the X-men into their stealth blackbird disarms the nukes, and pulls what's left of Asteroid M away from the ship, where it burns up in the atmosphere.
I liked this death because it played on the complexity of Magneto. Is he evil? Yes, undoubtably. He's the 'ends justify the means' character. But Eric had established Asteroid M as a mutant refuge, not as a base to rain death down on the humans. The governments of the world activated the 'Magneto Protocols' to try to keep him from coming back to Earth when he gave his offer of sanctuary to mutants. He replied by using their own 'anti-magneto' satalites to set off a worldwide EMP. Not the actions of an altruistic hero, hardly. But the actions of a man who has decided he has to offer mutants a home and damn anyone who gets in his way? Oh yes...
He was horrified when confronted with the remains of the humans he'd killed all those years ago on the Leningrad, even though he was taking its payload of nukes to 'protect' asteroid M (he apparently realized he does have to sleep) His final act was one of self sacrifice, saving even a few mutants at the cost of his own life.
To sum up, he died a complex character, not a James Bond villian falling into his own tank of Piranah.
|
|
That's why I'm waiting for X-Men Forever -- It's Chris Clairmont, with all that entails. :) Though thankfully he said he's striving to tone down the Tolstoy-sized ballons and the every-three-issue repetitions of how Rogue "cain't touch another livin' soul or Ah'll absorb their powahs..."See!! Thats why the X-Men ANNOY ME NOW. Jean's come back like, 3 times already, either kill her or let her live! AHHHHHHHHHH!!!!!!!!!!!
Sorry, Marvel is annoying me by trying to be "realistic" and I blame Bendis.
Is this going to be an ongoing series?
Is this going to be an ongoing series?That's why I'm waiting for X-Men Forever -- It's Chris Clairmont, with all that entails. :) Though thankfully he said he's striving to tone down the Tolstoy-sized ballons and the every-three-issue repetitions of how Rogue "cain't touch another livin' soul or Ah'll absorb their powahs..."See!! Thats why the X-Men ANNOY ME NOW. Jean's come back like, 3 times already, either kill her or let her live! AHHHHHHHHHH!!!!!!!!!!!
Sorry, Marvel is annoying me by trying to be "realistic" and I blame Bendis.
I don't see why not; someone dies in the X-men every time you turn your back or blink your eyes. The creators of this little video probably won't be able to keep up!
|
|
thankfully he said he's striving to tone down the Tolstoy-sized ballons and the every-three-issue repetitions of how Rogue "cain't touch another livin' soul or Ah'll absorb their powahs..."
The worst was Psylocke, 'My psychic knife, the focused totality of my telepathic powers!'
Jubilee, rolling her eyes, 'Does she know any other words in English?'
|
|
I read somewhere that the only characters that will never be brought back from the dead are Peter Parker's Uncle Ben and Bruce Wayne's parents. Other than that, death is meaningless in comics.Well Bucky used to be on the list...
So far, Doug Ramsey has stayed dead. He seemingly was resurected for a short time, but it turned out to be a deluded Warlock instead.
|
RPG Superstar 2009 Top 32, 2010 Top 8
|
So far, Doug Ramsey has stayed dead. He seemingly was resurected for a short time, but it turned out to be a deluded Warlock instead.I read somewhere that the only characters that will never be brought back from the dead are Peter Parker's Uncle Ben and Bruce Wayne's parents. Other than that, death is meaningless in comics.Well Bucky used to be on the list...
*nods* I actually don't mind Illyana's ressurection (Via House of M and some magic). Illyana could pull off a spell in the past to summon the dead, she didn't know it wasn't really needed. So Belasco should be able to do something similar.
The recent ressurection of Mockingbird annoys me. She'd been dead a while and the retcon left huge gaping holes in plots from the past 10-15 years. A 'House of M did it' Retcon, like Hawkeye's ressurection, would have made sense. This current "Mockingbird was a skrull who was killed, yet didn't revert, yet appeared 3 times as a dead character who still looked and acted like Bobbi" is annoying.
Is this going to be an ongoing series?
Chris Claremont is apparently hoping so. For the rest, time and the comic-buying public will tell.
That's why I'm waiting for X-Men Forever -- It's Chris Clairmont, with all that entails. :) Though thankfully he said he's striving to tone down the Tolstoy-sized ballons and the every-three-issue repetitions of how Rogue "cain't touch another livin' soul or Ah'll absorb their powahs..."What is this X-Men Forever you speak of? O_x [...and a faint hope that X-Men can be good again shines feebly within PDK's soul, as he awaits the answer...]Personally I'm hoping this means that Magneto stays dead from X-men 1-3. To me that was the most beautiful and noble death he's had yet.
Yes. Claremont had said in interviews that from now on, if he feels the need to use a dead character, his response to himself is going to be "tough s*** -- come up with someone even better."
|
|
Yes. Claremont had said in interviews that from now on, if he feels the need to use a dead character, his response to himself is going to be "tough s*** -- come up with someone even better."That's why I'm waiting for X-Men Forever -- It's Chris Clairmont, with all that entails. :) Though thankfully he said he's striving to tone down the Tolstoy-sized ballons and the every-three-issue repetitions of how Rogue "cain't touch another livin' soul or Ah'll absorb their powahs..."What is this X-Men Forever you speak of? O_x [...and a faint hope that X-Men can be good again shines feebly within PDK's soul, as he awaits the answer...]Personally I'm hoping this means that Magneto stays dead from X-men 1-3. To me that was the most beautiful and noble death he's had yet.
All well and good till someone else comes along who liked said character and brings them back.
|
|
Is this going to be an ongoing series?Chris Claremont is apparently hoping so. For the rest, time and the comic-buying public will tell.
Well, I have used Things From Another World to subscribe to it, so I hope it goes for a while. My kids have started to like X-Men, so this seems like a good way to introduce them.
|
|
All well and good till someone else comes along who liked said character and brings them back.Yes. Claremont had said in interviews that from now on, if he feels the need to use a dead character, his response to himself is going to be "tough s*** -- come up with someone even better."That's why I'm waiting for X-Men Forever -- It's Chris Clairmont, with all that entails. :) Though thankfully he said he's striving to tone down the Tolstoy-sized ballons and the every-three-issue repetitions of how Rogue "cain't touch another livin' soul or Ah'll absorb their powahs..."What is this X-Men Forever you speak of? O_x [...and a faint hope that X-Men can be good again shines feebly within PDK's soul, as he awaits the answer...]Personally I'm hoping this means that Magneto stays dead from X-men 1-3. To me that was the most beautiful and noble death he's had yet.
My thoughts as well.
As far as I understand, X-Men forever will not be canon... as nice as the story will be, it is just yet one another alternate reality that will not count for anything in terms of the official Marvel Universe canon...
(i.e. Uncanny/Astonishing will keep plowing along unaffected; i.e. the main series will keeping doing what they do best: resurrecting folks! LOL!)
|
|
All well and good till someone else comes along who liked said character and brings them back.
Yup, and, in some ways, this is a good thing. Far too many halfway decent characters are ganked off to establish the badassitude of some brand new mega uber awesome bad-guy that we may never see (or want to see) again, like Stryfe or the She-Xavier Cassandra Nova or whomever.
I don't mind the 'revolving door' when it's applied to characters who were ganked off in a fairly meaningless way, when a decent writer can latch on to some abandoned third-tier schlub like the Swamp Thing or the Sandman or Madrox or whomever and turn them into a character capable of maintaining their own book.
Marvel has traditionally been the worst at that sort of thing, with incidents like the 'Bar With No Name' incident, which firmly established Scourge as someone who would be... written off as boring and promptly forgotten and left fallow for 10 years! Ditto the Mutant Massacre, or the death of millions in Genosha, or the death of the Genoshan survivors, or the blowing up of the depowered New X-Men, or (insert random other mutant genocide, usually at the hands of nobodies who are forgotten soon after).
But DC jumped on the train fairly enthusiastically with their Superboy-Prime and Black Adam kill-a-paloozas, where we get treated to seeing a half-dozen Teen Titans (Legionnaires, etc.) punched to death, decapitated, dismembered and / or sliced in half by some creepy variant of heat vision that isn't hot and sends blood flying all over the place.
I guess I don't mind resurrection being cheap and meaningless, since the character's deaths have been mostly cheap and meaningless for the last decade or so.
My local comic shop just sent me an email with a new Marvel title that features a solid black cover and a star that looks hauntingly like Captain Americans. Is it possible he will be back so soon?
My local comic shop just sent me an email with a new Marvel title that features a solid black cover and a star that looks hauntingly like Captain Americans. Is it possible he will be back so soon?
Or is it they're just willing to sink as low as possible to get sales when the character was perfectly fine before they decided everything has to die and be reborn or in the case of the skrulls throw them into your face until you're sick of them?
Out of curiosity whats the general verdict of Bucky as Captain America's replacement?
Other than he actually uses a gun where Cap actually felt bad that he actually used a gun almost as bad as Batman did from Batman Beyond before he retired and introduced Terry McGinnis?
|
|
I like Bucky-Cap. His stories are great and the whole character is being handled very well (as opposed to whatever BENDIS! writes.).
I do miss Steve-Cap though, he was the one I grew up with, and wouldn't be opposed to him returning.
My thoughts on the Star Poster is that its the 1950's Cap who came back recently.
All well and good till someone else comes along who liked said character and brings them back.Yup, and, in some ways, this is a good thing. Far too many halfway decent characters are ganked off to establish the badassitude of some brand new mega uber awesome bad-guy that we may never see (or want to see) again, like Stryfe or the She-Xavier Cassandra Nova or whomever.
I agree. That's while I applaud the balls of killing off Wolverine permanently, it seems, on the face of it, almost the apotheosis of the mindset of the titles in the past decade, treating Wolverine as a "uber-munchkin" who needs to be regularly swatted down by a killer DM. Then again, in the comics, Wolverine's healing has become ridiculous in recent years -- up to and including regenerating fully from a handful of cells on his skeleton, IIRC. And, of course, as you point out, that was meant both to show the badassitude of the new villain of the week, while preserving the "deceased" for later commercial exploitation.
But here, it was also intended instead to send a message, just as Steve Rogers' death was in Captain America, that the game has changed significantly, that safe characters are no longer safe, that actions have consequences (remember, Steve didn't die at the hands of some badass new minion of the Red Skull, but instead to a prosaic lone gun(wo)man, with the at least estated motive being the events of the recently-concluded Civil War.) If done sparingly, it keeps the audience on their toes -- no longer are heavily marketable characters going to be spared for the sake of merchandising (and as to the other objection about XMF -- that a subsequent writer after CC could undo all of it, it's been pretty much made explicit that if CC quits the title, it will NOT be continued by others, as it is such a personal project, making him almost uniquely free from marketing dictates). Think of it like the new Star Trek -- Vulcan was destroyed so that JJ Abrams could say "This is not the predictable Trek Universe you thought you knew. Kirk may not get a bridge dropped on him in the future. He might die from eating a bad tribble sandwich next week."
I don't mind the 'revolving door' when it's applied to characters who were ganked off in a fairly meaningless way, when a decent writer can latch on to some abandoned third-tier schlub like the Swamp Thing or the Sandman or Madrox or whomever and turn them into a character capable of maintaining their own book.
I do, only because it's a cheap way out. It really is not valid from a story standpoint 75% of the time, meant only to allow subsequent writers/artists to be able to play with favored characters that previous creative teams killed off, or to allow the parent company to reintroduce a favored character whom the fans would buy multiple copies of an issue to see return, or for some other external reason that has nothing to do with the story.
I agree with the "meaningless" part though -- a character's death shouldn't be a "whoops, he just slipped and impaled himself on his own Adamantium claws" sort of deal, but should have an impact on the story. While it was a blatant, brazen, meant-to-be-reversed-from-panel-one marketing gimmick, Superman's "death" was very much meaningful, "dying" to save Metropolis from the rampage.
Marvel has traditionally been the worst at that sort of thing, with incidents like the 'Bar With No Name' incident, which firmly established Scourge as someone who would be... written off as boring and promptly forgotten and left fallow for 10 years!
Yeah... Scourge was a wasted opportunity. They wove him in half the titles in the '80s as an omnipresent, creepy and cool serial killer/vigilante, and then promptly killed him like a chump. Also, though, the incident IIRC was meant to clear away some of the "chaff" of Marvel villainhood, allowing the editors at the time to permanently dispose of some of the more embarrassing baddies in a clear and unambiguous manner. I mean, really -- who misses "Turner D. Century", a villain who looked like he should be conning rich dowagers, starting a marching band in River City and riding bikes with a comically large front wheel?
I guess I don't mind resurrection being cheap and meaningless, since the character's deaths have been mostly cheap and meaningless for the last decade or so.
But at the same time, most of those deaths and resurrections (at least of major characters) were intended as marketing gimmicks, not organic evolutions in the book. If Claremont had had his way, Jean Grey would probably have stayed dead after Dark Phoenix, with Madelyne Pryor being just what she was billed as originally -- a one-in-a-billion perfect likeness of Jean, with nothing else special going on. Then, the X-editor at the time (can't remember whether it was still Ann Nocenti or if Bob Harras had taken over by then) decided to get the original X-Men back together as X-Factor, necessitating Jean's return. And the Goblyn Queen/Inferno. and Scott's out-of-character volteface going back to Jean. And the cockamamie plotline about Madelyn being a clone "honey pot" due to some bizarre infatuation Mr. Sinister has with the Summers family. And so on.
In the same way, do you REALLY think that Supes would have been killed by Doomsday only to go through a drawn-out (and highly saleable as collector's editions) funeral and resurrection process if the Superman titles hadn't been flagging in sales?
Wait. A Marvel character has died and could possibly return from the dead?!?!?! How is that at all possible? Marvel would NEVER do such a thing.
Wait. A Marvel character has died and could possibly return from the dead?!?!?! How is that at all possible? Marvel would NEVER do such a thing.
I cannot tell. Is this an instance of your Earth "irony?" :P