Maneuver AC Lovers commiserate!


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For those folks who loved the Maneuver AC variant during the beta playtest: we really don't have a great shot of seeing it in the final release, do we?

I hereby dedicate this thread to lamenting that awesome, awesome variant rule.

Attackers, flip your size bonus and grapple.

Defenders, add your touch AC.

Godspeed you king of houserules...


toyrobots wrote:
For those folks who loved the Maneuver AC variant during the beta playtest: we really don't have a great shot of seeing it in the final release, do we?

I have nothing to base this on, but are you so certain? And why?


On the contrary, Sean Reynolds mentioned that creatures in the Bestiary will have both a CMB and a "CMD". Maybe CMD = Combat Maneuver Defense = "Maneuver AC"?

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hogarth wrote:
On the contrary, Sean Reynolds mentioned that creatures in the Bestiary will have both a CMB and a "CMD". Maybe CMD = Combat Maneuver Defense = "Maneuver AC"?

Sweet, I've been using it as CMD forever, I wonder if I was the first to apply that...or did I steal it from someone else? (course I might toy around with CMD=10+dex+str+size+mods...but we'll see what the final numbers are.


Disenchanter wrote:
toyrobots wrote:
For those folks who loved the Maneuver AC variant during the beta playtest: we really don't have a great shot of seeing it in the final release, do we?
I have nothing to base this on, but are you so certain? And why?

Other than my own crushing pessimism, nothing really. :)

But we never really saw a response from the powers that be on the idea of integrating Touch AC with Maneuver DCs, nor on integrating Maneuvers with regular attack bonuses.

If it does get included, I will be very happy. That rule alone made the playtest for me, and I've been using it ever since.

It's too late to lobby for inclusion, so I figured I would lament its loss and be pleasantly surprised if I am wrong. win/win!

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