Perhaps V failed his Knowledge(planes) check and assumed the souls spliced to him counted as undead. I certainly didn't expect them to be affected by energy drain.
Good point Shadowborn.
I have to agree though, Xykon is such a fun bastard.
It was mentioned that it had happened before... just that no one had ever had so many at once, and in this case it was a special offer to see if the new combined department was worth doing.
I particularly liked the "immortal with a paint-by-numbers portrait in the rec room" business.
Xycon is indeed a fun bastard, and is also giving V very sound advice.
pity V doesnt use death ward when going up against a lich- I dislike how the big brains act dumb
pity V doesnt use death ward when going up against a lich- I dislike how the big brains act dumbV couldn't use Death Ward, its a divine spell.
Limited Wish will cover that do that for you.
Limited Wish will cover that do that for you.pity V doesnt use death ward when going up against a lich- I dislike how the big brains act dumbV couldn't use Death Ward, its a divine spell.
They covered that in the conditions. He can't do that.
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They covered that in the conditions. He can't do that.Limited Wish will cover that do that for you.pity V doesnt use death ward when going up against a lich- I dislike how the big brains act dumbV couldn't use Death Ward, its a divine spell.
Well, I suppose he could use his OWN spell slots to do it, since V personally can do 7th level spells (e.g., prismatic spray). Of course, V hasn't necessarily had time to re-prepare spells (unless I'm misremembering things, which is possible).
Now spell turning, on the other hand, is entirely reasonable. We just have to remember that at the time V got the power-up V had no notion of going up against Xykon, just the regular complement of everyday spells.
They covered that in the conditions. He can't do that.Limited Wish will cover that do that for you.pity V doesnt use death ward when going up against a lich- I dislike how the big brains act dumbV couldn't use Death Ward, its a divine spell.Well, I suppose he could use his OWN spell slots to do it, since V personally can do 7th level spells (e.g., prismatic spray). Of course, V hasn't necessarily had time to re-prepare spells (unless I'm misremembering things, which is possible).
Now spell turning, on the other hand, is entirely reasonable. We just have to remember that at the time V got the power-up V had no notion of going up against Xykon, just the regular complement of everyday spells.
Exactly. Haerta, the first splice to escape and the one which allowed him to cast the unbelievably powerful familicide, was a necromancer; despite her power, many of her spells would be useless against the undead Xykon.
As for what was experimental, I got the impression that the experiment was the attempt to combine the forces of all three evil alignments, to see what was possible when evil worked as a unified force. The soul splice is apparently an extremely rare, but known, practice.
At the end of the previous strip, everyone either thought V was going to whoop Xykon, or that Xykon had the missing soul (Haerta). Turns out both were wrong! I wouldn't totally rule out V coming around and pulling victory from the jaws of defeat; but it's not looking good.
And yes, Xykon is awesome. "MAXIMIZED energy drain, dumbass."
Even with the maximized energy drain, it's still the power of three casters vs. one. Downside for V is that he can still only cast one spell from the three compliments per round (not including quickened spells), so it's basically a one-on-one battle with one opponent having a lot more spells to choose from.
...at least, until the other baddies in the room jump in. They are evil, after all.
Even with the maximized energy drain, it's still the power of three casters vs. one. Downside for V is that he can still only cast one spell from the three compliments per round (not including quickened spells), so it's basically a one-on-one battle with one opponent having a lot more spells to choose from.
...at least, until the other baddies in the room jump in. They are evil, after all.
Actually it's 3 casters... with one action per round total, Versus 2 casters (red cloak) with an action each per round...
One caster will almost always lose to two casters due to action economy (the same thing that makes a BBEG lose to PC's).
They covered that in the conditions. He can't do that.Limited Wish will cover that do that for you.pity V doesnt use death ward when going up against a lich- I dislike how the big brains act dumbV couldn't use Death Ward, its a divine spell.
missed that- my bad.
does anyone else reading this want to play a necromancy focussed sorcerer or is it just me?
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They covered that in the conditions. He can't do that.Limited Wish will cover that do that for you.pity V doesnt use death ward when going up against a lich- I dislike how the big brains act dumbV couldn't use Death Ward, its a divine spell.Well, I suppose he could use his OWN spell slots to do it, since V personally can do 7th level spells (e.g., prismatic spray). Of course, V hasn't necessarily had time to re-prepare spells (unless I'm misremembering things, which is possible).
Now spell turning, on the other hand, is entirely reasonable. We just have to remember that at the time V got the power-up V had no notion of going up against Xykon, just the regular complement of everyday spells.
Exactly. Haerta, the first splice to escape and the one which allowed him to cast the unbelievably powerful familicide, was a necromancer; despite her power, many of her spells would be useless against the undead Xykon.
As for what was experimental, I got the impression that the experiment was the attempt to combine the forces of all three evil alignments, to see what was possible when evil worked as a unified force. The soul splice is apparently an extremely rare, but known, practice.
At the end of the previous strip, everyone either thought V was going to whoop Xykon, or that Xykon had the missing soul (Haerta). Turns out both were wrong! I wouldn't totally rule out V coming around and pulling victory from the jaws of defeat; but it's not looking good.
And yes, Xykon is awesome. "MAXIMIZED energy drain, dumbass."
That's may have not be the case, as Haerta may have had access to spells that control intelligent undead or maybe even research spells that could protect herself the attacks of undead... And since some undead attack by neg levels she may have had a defense for it.
I'm thinking Haerta would just have done Disjunction on Xycon's phylactery. That saves a lot of muss and bother.
Even with the maximized energy drain, it's still the power of three casters vs. one. Downside for V is that he can still only cast one spell from the three compliments per round (not including quickened spells), so it's basically a one-on-one battle with one opponent having a lot more spells to choose from.
...at least, until the other baddies in the room jump in. They are evil, after all.
Actually it's 3 casters... with one action per round total, Versus 2 casters (red cloak) with an action each per round...
One caster will almost always lose to two casters due to action economy (the same thing that makes a BBEG lose to PC's).
Note the bolded section of the quotation. So far, all Redcloak has done is color commentary, aside from informing Xykon about the soul splices. (The glyphs don't count; those are traps.)
Knowing about the soul splice had a direct effect on the tactics that Xykon used, so that true seeing spell was very important in the effects of the duel, However my point gets proved in episode 653 so I'll just leave it there.
Knowing about the soul splice had a direct effect on the tactics that Xykon used, so that true seeing spell was very important in the effects of the duel, However my point gets proved in episode 653 so I'll just leave it there.
point about tactical considerations in D&D proved by OOTS?
seriously, it is a comic.
Edit: though I do agree with your logic. I think the storyline is the deciding factor in what happens in OOTS
In this case it's not just a D&D tactical issue -- 3 of a kind beats a pair with an ace kicker.
V had no chance in this fight precisely because it was 2~3 on 1.