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The LoF campaign outline and the information in Howl of the Carrion King seem to be a bit vague on dates of a lot of the events.
In particular, how long before the campaign were these events:
When did Jhavul come to the Material Plane?
When did Nefeshti come to the material plane?
When did Andrathi use the Scroll of Kakishon?
When did Shirak get the scroll?
Our only clue is 'hundreds of years'.
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I think this is on purpose. This way it is easier to dump in any campaign setting. That being said, i wait for my hardcopies are in to read the book, and only use the PDFs for preparing wiki articles, so I might not be the best source.
Our only clue is 'hundreds of years'.
Maybe, but for those of us in Golarion it could be handy information.
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We're vague on purpose, as we are with a lot of timeline stuff, since that lets each GM customize the timelines as according to his needs and preferences. If you just want to be able to give your PCs specific dates, the best bet is to say that Jhavhul came to the Material Plane about 200 years ago and work from there. (Nefeshti was already there on the Material plane, though...)
For Example:
4480 AR: Nefeshti arrives on the Material Plane and creates the Templars of the Five Winds
4522 AR: Jhavhul arrives on the Material Plane.
4523 AR: Jhavhul escapes bondage to Ezer.
4524 AR: Jhavhul is imprisoned in Kakishon. Shirak hides the scroll.
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We're vague on purpose, as we are with a lot of timeline stuff, since that lets each GM customize the timelines as according to his needs and preferences. If you just want to be able to give your PCs specific dates, the best bet is to say that Jhavhul came to the Material Plane about 200 years ago and work from there. (Nefeshti was already there on the Material plane, though...)
For Example:
4480 AR: Nefeshti arrives on the Material Plane and creates the Templars of the Five Winds
4522 AR: Jhavhul arrives on the Material Plane.
4523 AR: Jhavhul escapes bondage to Ezer.
4524 AR: Jhavhul is imprisoned in Kakishon. Shirak hides the scroll.
Thanks a ton James, the big key for me was knowing those last three events happened in the span of about three years, rather than as an ongoing 100-years war or some such thing.
Wow, I thought for sure I read someplace that this all happened several hundred years ago (like 8 or 9 hundred.) I suppose it was based on this quote from the PreviewWe're vague on purpose, as we are with a lot of timeline stuff, since that lets each GM customize the timelines as according to his needs and preferences. If you just want to be able to give your PCs specific dates, the best bet is to say that Jhavhul came to the Material Plane about 200 years ago and work from there. (Nefeshti was already there on the Material plane, though...)
For Example:
4480 AR: Nefeshti arrives on the Material Plane and creates the Templars of the Five Winds
4522 AR: Jhavhul arrives on the Material Plane.
4523 AR: Jhavhul escapes bondage to Ezer.
4524 AR: Jhavhul is imprisoned in Kakishon. Shirak hides the scroll.
Hundreds of years ago, the efreeti Prince Jhavhul sought to impress Ymeri, Elemental Queen of the Inferno, and offered himself as her consort.
Also, this reference to "ancient" also made me think ~1000 years:
According to an ancient wish put into play by Nefeshti, her templars would live forever so long as they retained her favor.
I think I'll stick with my 800-years-ago theory. I think that oral history is more likely to have turned something as fantastic as a genie-led wish-army into legend in that time-span. To me it seems that 200 years ago it would still be relatively recent "fact", and I prefer these things to be mis-remembered legends.
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800 years ago works just as well.
The actual time during which Jhavhul was out and about doing his thing, though, was relatively short, certainly not more than 3 years and possibly less than 1 year. If he were runing amok for decades or centuries, he would have been remembered, and we would have mentioned him in the PCCS hardcover.
Also, this reference to "ancient" also made me think ~1000 years
Depends on the context. For an outsider, 1000 years is brand new. For a computer, six months is ancient.
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800 years ago works just as well.
The actual time during which Jhavhul was out and about doing his thing, though, was relatively short, certainly not more than 3 years and possibly less than 1 year. If he were runing amok for decades or centuries, he would have been remembered, and we would have mentioned him in the PCCS hardcover.
"We didn't write about him a year ago, so he must not have been very important?" <raises eyebrow>
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"We didn't write about him a year ago, so he must not have been very important?" <raises eyebrow>800 years ago works just as well.
The actual time during which Jhavhul was out and about doing his thing, though, was relatively short, certainly not more than 3 years and possibly less than 1 year. If he were runing amok for decades or centuries, he would have been remembered, and we would have mentioned him in the PCCS hardcover.
I didn't say he wasn't important. You're putting words in my thread.
What I said was that if Jhavhul had a genie armie of wish-fueled maniacs and was running amok in Katapesh for a long time, one would think that somewhere in the Pathfinder Chronicles Campaign Setting Hardcover we would have mentioned him, since a genie army at war for a century is pretty noticeable.
That said, we planted a HELL of a lot of adventure path plot seeds in the hardcover. I've got campaigns plotted out until 2010, in fact, and for some of them, I put hints and previews in the hardcover to foreshadow them. Some campaigns, though, do NOT get foreshadowed because they're supposed to be less "epic" than others. Second Darkness, for example, has a LOT of foreshadowing in the hardcover, and it's overall plot is pretty epic. Legacy of Fire, on the other hand, is a much more low-key campaign that doesn't really put an entire region or world at risk.
NOTE: I use epic here not to refer to above 21st level play, but to big plots that sprawl across nations and can have repercussions throughout the world.