I think class only because I feel Barack has largely made it because of his hardwork and the chances given to him after he showed others what he's capable of. If the highest offices in the country were only limited to people who have graduated from private prep schools, then class would still limit us as a society.Not to diminish the moment but I'm not so sure about class. It seems that few/none working class stiffs can gather the support of the rich and powerful. At least at the national level. Regardless of party.
But for race, 'Amen'. It'll be even nicer going forward when race is truly not an issue. Too much to expect it to be a sidebar for the groundbreaker but it bodes well for the future.
Well in that case Bill Clinton had already done it for class. And Obama did go to Harvard Law School.
...and the real Barack Obama can be found in his books if you don't feel the voting record tells you enough.
Are those the books where he talks about hearing a sermon from Rev. Wright about "white greed", to which on the campaign trail he said he didn't know anything about? Well the Rev. might have been right about one thing, "He's a politician, he says what he has to."
And he might have been elected if they had not. Well and if Palin didn't speak outside of her speeches.I liked and respected McCain before the Republican Electioneers got their hands on him. . . I think the real John McCain showed himself in the conciliation speech
I'm not sure of that. Running against Bush II's legacy always meant it was an uphill run. But I wouldn't be surprised if he had done better than he did.
And he might have been elected if they had not. Well and if Palin didn't speak outside of her speeches.I liked and respected McCain before the Republican Electioneers got their hands on him. . . I think the real John McCain showed himself in the conciliation speech
I personally got the impression that both McCain and Obama would make fine presidents (and like you say, McCain's reconciliation speech is worth alot of respect - as is his handling of that rather strange "he's a terrorist !" woman at one of his conventions)... but Palin would have been the ultimate unmittigated disaster.
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Obama has four years to achieve what no President in two hundred years has been capable of achieving...ethical and good government capable of recognising the right of every life to an equal share of the benifits and obligations of civilization.
No. He will be just another US President. Be prepared for Obama the Butcher...George W Bush departed suggesting that the destruction of Children were to the benifit of the USA.
Shrooms make me feel sooooo groovy. Kinda like taking your car to the carwash. And later we can go for pizza and buy some shoes.
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Here is an article from the Fox News Forum that I thought was a nice piece about our transition of power.
Here is an article from the Fox News Forum that I thought was a nice piece about our transition of power.
Good article. Thanks Aberzombie!
Yeah I'm gonna second the vote of b~&#%!!* the fact is that if that was the reason then our first black president would have been Al Sharpton. Or the black gentleman who's name escapes me who tried to clinch the republican nomination. Note how neither of them won, but yet we have Barack Obama, so don't make rediculous claims like he was elected because he was black.
Yepp. Absolutely. And what a shame that the first non-caucasian person elected was voted in almost entirely because of their being non-caucasian.
The second guy youre thinking about here would be Alan Keys. I agree with you. For what a lot of these closet cross burners say to be true, it would mean that someone like Colon Powell or J.C. Watts (both registered republicans who happen to be black) would have to run and possibly win. Obama didnt win because he's black (and speaking as a black D00d, that assumption is one of the DUMBEST f#+@ing things I've ever heard. It's like there's a segment of the white populace that believes that black people lead some kind of charmed life that allows us to get whatever we want because of our skin color...) He won because he wanst a Republican and he wasnt a Clinton. Trust me if Bush and his people had done a better job of running the country Obama would have never had had a chance.
But hey if they want to think it's because he's black feel free. I hope that they dont forget thier Ihateaniggers membership cards on the way out though! YAY!
I just don't see how in a "post-racial" world, it can be ok to compare our former president to a monkey (say curious george) but then it be off limits to do so with our current one. Perhaps our world is not so "post-racial" as some would like to believe.
Agreed. As other Western countries have blasted the US for policies of the past, lets see how long it takes for them to elect a minority to the leadership of a country.
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I just don't see how in a "post-racial" world, it can be ok to compare our former president to a monkey (say curious george) but then it be off limits to do so with our current one. Perhaps our world is not so "post-racial" as some would like to believe.
There's two aspects to this:
#1 Allowing someone to succeed without regard to skin color.
#2 Remembering that not all groups in the country have had the same experience when it comes to insults, abuse, disenfranchisement, etc. People have very vivid memories of instances of this and if we say that we can now put those injustices behind us but also forget them is itself insulting.
I just don't see how in a "post-racial" world, it can be ok to compare our former president to a monkey (say curious george) but then it be off limits to do so with our current one. Perhaps our world is not so "post-racial" as some would like to believe.Agreed. As other Western countries have blasted the US for policies of the past, lets see how long it takes for them to elect a minority to the leadership of a country.
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You can't really blame them too much. I mean, that is where all the history comes from. America hasn't got any history so we can do wild and crazy things over here and it won't really matter in the long run, because we don't have a long run. =D
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To the OP,
I thought Mr. Obama's speech was a bit weak and lacked a certain flow. I've been cautious and critical of his politics since he became the choice democratic candidate, and I acknowledge that I retain some bias against him. It has everything to do with his short list of accomplishments, "spread the wealth" agendas, and shady background and associations.
It leaves me somewhat more jaded that the media ignores, overlooks, or excuses the faults and shortcomings of he who is now the most powerful person in the free world, but that's my issue with the media.
With regard to the swearing in, I had to chuckle when Mr. Obama stumbled over his own name, but I'm told that was due to the presenter slipping from the way they had rehearsed it.
Okay youre just being purposefully obtuse here.
Not to mention pious asses. And to you, ShinKakkaider, I find it laughable that you somehow align my comment to owning a "Ihaten$%#^^^s" card.
Get over yourself.
Okay youre just being purposefully obtuse here.
Not to mention pious asses. And to you, ShinKakkaider, I find it laughable that you somehow align my comment to owning a "Ihaten$%#^^^s" card.
Get over yourself.
Yours is an argument that I typically here from a segment who actually DO have a problem with black people in general so yeah I attributed that to you (and Snobi) by extension.
Or let me be direct, usually the only people I hear (BLANK only got away with/got the job/promotion or whatever because they were black are people who don't think highly of or like black people to begin with. Inaccurate assumption, maybe. Not that you have to, but you havent shown otherwise so my assumption stands.
I am so ashamed that some fellow members on THESE boards are really this insensitive when it comes to race relations in this country. For that matter, forget race relations, how about some sensitivity to centuries of abuse inflicted on your fellow man.
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Because it isn't post racial insults, no one comparing bush to a chimpanzee is insulting his race. But the joke he made is a racial one. And it is increadibly hurtful, I know that if he had said that in front of me I would have beaten him senseless because he insulting the woman I love with all my heart in making that joke.
Back to the point of the OP to keep the thread from getting locked, So the Daily Show and The Colbert Report were hillarious last night. Absolutely great.
I gotta check that out online today. Sounds good!
I am so ashamed that some fellow members here at Paizo are really this insensitive when it comes to race relations in this country. For that matter, forget race relations, how about some sensitivity to centuries of abuse inflicted on your fellow man.
It's not something that's limited to Paizo though. Enworld, RPG.net and the HERO System boards all have the same issues re: race, specifically towards black people (specifically black americans). It's not surprising given that the audience for RPG's are mostly white males. I'm lucky that I live in and grew up in NYC so I have a plethora of friends of many hues and backgrounds to game with, but I know a lot of other people arent that lucky and dont have that kind of exposure.
I dont know any slaves so I cant tell you about slavery. I do however have family members that lived in an grew up in the south during Jim Crow. And to tell the truth, there are still a few places in the South and the Midwest where it's not cool to be black in (South Carolina where my wifes family is immediately leaps to mind...)
But for the most part I think it's easy for some people plead ignorance and say how things SHOULD be if they havent had to experience difficulties because of thier skin color on a regular basis. I understand the attitude, but I'm not going to just sit here and shut up when someone purposefully throws the race bait out there. I don't know whether or not he thought there would be no people of color here who would take offense but he was wrong. The thing is if he had said this in real space I would have confronted him the same way that I would here.
Well what do you really expect. I mean we are still "work[ing] for that day when ... white will embrace what is right." White people are obviously still embracing wrong. The blue-eyed devil is alive and well. Mr. Whitey still pulls the strings, even if now just behind the scenes.
But for the most part I think it's easy for some people plead ignorance and say how things SHOULD be if they havent had to experience difficulties because of thier skin color on a regular basis. I understand the attitude, but I'm not going to just sit here and shut up when someone purposefully throws the race bait out there. I don't know whether or not he thought there would be no people of color here who would take offense but he was wrong. The thing is if he had said this in real space I would have confronted him the same way that I would here.
I wouldn't fault you at all for doing so. I think many others have a lot to learn when it comes to this. If no one has ever challenged their way of thinking or they have never experienced any kind of insults or abuse for something they had no control over, then, unfortunately, ignorance is to be expected.
Okay youre just being purposefully obtuse here.
Not to mention pious asses. And to you, ShinKakkaider, I find it laughable that you somehow align my comment to owning a "Ihaten$%#^^^s" card.
Get over yourself.
Yours is an argument that I typically here from a segment who actually DO have a problem with black people in general so yeah I attributed that to you (and Snobi) by extension.
Or let me be direct, usually the only people I hear (BLANK only got away with/got the job/promotion or whatever because they were black are people who don't think highly of or like black people to begin with. Inaccurate assumption, maybe. Not that you have to, but you havent shown otherwise so my assumption stands.
Thank you, thank you, thank you. My office all loved the infectious nature of the good laugh you provided!!!!
Keep on with yo bad self...
Well what do you really expect. I mean we are still "work[ing] for that day when ... white will embrace what is right." White people are obviously still embracing wrong. The blue-eyed devil is alive and well. Mr. Whitey still pulls the strings, even if now just behind the scenes.
And it doesn't feel like your attitude is helping either.
I am so ashamed that some fellow members on THESE boards are really this insensitive when it comes to race relations in this country. For that matter, forget race relations, how about some sensitivity to centuries of abuse inflicted on your fellow man.
When you occasionally vomit, do you find some of your morality in the remains? I mean, really...just how pious CAN you be, Mr. Veector ? :)
I never said Obama got elected because he was black. All I said was that you wouldn't have millions of people jacking themselves off at his inauguration if he was white.
I did say that though. I feel it was a 'one of US' mentality that got him elected.
Call me racist for having an opinion. Fine. I'll call you a slavering idiot worthy of my laughter.
But for the most part I think it's easy for some people plead ignorance and say how things SHOULD be if they havent had to experience difficulties because of thier skin color on a regular basis. I understand the attitude, but I'm not going to just sit here and shut up when someone purposefully throws the race bait out there. I don't know whether or not he thought there would be no people of color here who would take offense but he was wrong. The thing is if he had said this in real space I would have confronted him the same way that I would here.
Does projecting your assumptions on others help you in the long run ?
Does randomly accusing people of being racist help much either?
Yet again, get over yourself. And I would have confronted you much as you claim to have the intestinal fortitude to do so yourself. In the end, it's a damned opinion. Not racist.
Well what do you really expect. I mean we are still "work[ing] for that day when ... white will embrace what is right." White people are obviously still embracing wrong. The blue-eyed devil is alive and well. Mr. Whitey still pulls the strings, even if now just behind the scenes.
I think that reference is pretty accurate though. I mean whatever clout that Obama has with white people (and lets be honest he wouldnt be there with out a whole bunch of white folk voting for him. Although I tend to believe that most white males still voted for McCain.) doenst extend to the AVERAGE black person, espeically black males.
I grew up in foster care so I had EVERY chance to do things wrong. Instead I worked from the age of 14, went to college, got my BS degree and basically stayed on the right side of the law. But that still doesnt stop people from looking at me sideways. And it doenst matter how I dress or carry myself. To be fair things are a little better than it was 10 years ago, but there's still a significant amount of leeryness toward black people especially males. But hey it's Okay though because we have a black president so all of the silly negroes can shut up and go away now. YAY!!!
Well what do you really expect. I mean we are still "work[ing] for that day when ... white will embrace what is right." White people are obviously still embracing wrong. The blue-eyed devil is alive and well. Mr. Whitey still pulls the strings, even if now just behind the scenes.
So much for a colorblind closing "prayer."
Although I tend to believe that most white males still voted for McCain.
Wow, and I am the racist. Is that a "Ihatewhi^%%$^&crack@#$@#$%as$#%s" card in your pocket, my friend?
Well what do you really expect. I mean we are still "work[ing] for that day when ... white will embrace what is right." White people are obviously still embracing wrong. The blue-eyed devil is alive and well. Mr. Whitey still pulls the strings, even if now just behind the scenes.
I think that reference is pretty accurate though. I mean whatever clout that Obama has with white people (and lets be honest he wouldnt be there with out a whole bunch of white folk voting for him. Although I tend to believe that most white males still voted for McCain.) doenst extend to the AVERAGE black person, espeically black males.
I grew up in foster care so I had EVERY chance to do things wrong. Instead I worked from the age of 14, went to college, got my BS degree and basically stayed on the right side of the law. But that still doesnt stop people from looking at me sideways. And it doenst matter how I dress or carry myself. To be fair things are a little better than it was 10 years ago, but there's still a significant amount of leeryness toward black people especially males. But hey it's Okay though because we have a black president so all of the silly negroes can shut up and go away now. YAY!!!
And I would guess that most black voters voted for Obama, does that make them any less bigotted? Seriously, racism is not a one-way street. You talk about parts of the country where it is bad to be black, there are also parts of the country where white kids are jumped just for being white. Until people start letting go of their victimization ideals, things will never improve. Hopefully with more people like Obama getting air time and less Sharptons and Jacksons, things will improve.
And I would guess that most black voters voted for Obama, does that make them any less bigotted? Seriously, racism is not a one-way street. You talk about parts of the country where it is bad to be black, there are also parts of the country where white kids are jumped just for being white. Until people start letting go of their victimization ideals, things will never improve. Hopefully with more people like Obama getting air time and less Sharptons and Jacksons, things will improve.
Thank you, pres man, for putting eloquantly into words what I myself was wanting to say.
you rock, dude...
In the end, it's a damned opinion. Not racist.
That's your opinion.
and as to my intestinal fortitude, it's not a claim. Alot of people will talk s&%+ under a cloud of anonymity. I dont. If you doubt that then the next time youre in NYC hit me up with an email or PM and well talk. Maybe you can throw around some insults and such, sans keyboard and monitor.
Or if you want to take this to email or PM now...
EDIT: DRAT. No PM or Email option here is there?
In the end, it's a damned opinion. Not racist.That's your opinion.
and as to my intestinal fortitude, it's not a claim. Alot of people will talk s@#! under a cloud of anonymity. I dont. If you doubt that then the next time youre in NYC hit me up with an email or PM and well talk. Maybe you can throw around some insults and such, sans keyboard and monitor.
Or if you want to take this to email or PM now...
EDIT: DRAT. No PM or Email option here is there?
*laughing*...
Why in the world would I take such a bite as that? Me thinks you have issues to work out, friend. Perhaps the gym. Perhaps psychiatric help. Perhaps the mirror.
And I would guess that most black voters voted for Obama, does that make them any less bigotted? Seriously, racism is not a one-way street. You talk about parts of the country where it is bad to be black, there are also parts of the country where white kids are jumped just for being white. Until people start letting go of their victimization ideals, things will never improve. Hopefully with more people like Obama getting air time and less Sharptons and Jacksons, things will improve.
If the victimization mentality is one part of the problem then the other part of the problem is guys like you who don't give a s%*+ about the parts of america where it is hard to be black. If you had more people standing up for ALL people (regardless of color) it would go a long way to nullifying the Sharptons and Jacksons. But that's really not what alot of people are interested in.
Well guys, it was nice knowing this thread. Too bad it had to go down this road. Maybe the next thread will be more civil. Maybe politics should be banned from the boards all together.
I'll bet you tell that to ALLL the boys...
Y'know...the funny thing to me is, there's all this hullabaloo over Obama being black, and whether he was elected because he was black or on the merits of his candidacy, blah blah blah. I didn't vote for the man because I don't agree with his politics, simple as that.
Anyway...point I want to make is this. Is anyone else amused by the fact that there's all this fuss about how "historic" this occasion is, when really, you could call Obama a white man and be just as correct and accurate as calling him a black man?
I find it a little sad that there's been so much fuss over his paternal parentage, but not a lick of it over his maternal.
I'm not trying to be offensive or start any other kind of brouhaha, I'm just stating fact. Barack Obama is half black, and half white. But nobody ever mentions the caucasian part of his heritage, which is just as much a part of who he is.
In the end, it's a damned opinion. Not racist.That's your opinion.
and as to my intestinal fortitude, it's not a claim. Alot of people will talk s@#! under a cloud of anonymity. I dont. If you doubt that then the next time youre in NYC hit me up with an email or PM and well talk. Maybe you can throw around some insults and such, sans keyboard and monitor.
Or if you want to take this to email or PM now...
EDIT: DRAT. No PM or Email option here is there?
*laughing*...
Why in the world would I take such a bite as that? Me thinks you have issues to work out, friend. Perhaps the gym. Perhaps psychiatric help. Perhaps the mirror.
Yes, because it makes it alot easier for you to talk s!*# without any reprecussions.
Typical.
*laughs*
If the victimization mentality is one part of the problem then the other part of the problem is guys like you who don't give a s#&~ about the parts of america where it is hard to be black. If you had more people standing up for ALL people (regardless of color) it would go a long way to nullifying the Sharptons and Jacksons. But that's really not what alot of people are interested in.
And I would guess that most black voters voted for Obama, does that make them any less bigotted? Seriously, racism is not a one-way street. You talk about parts of the country where it is bad to be black, there are also parts of the country where white kids are jumped just for being white. Until people start letting go of their victimization ideals, things will never improve. Hopefully with more people like Obama getting air time and less Sharptons and Jacksons, things will improve.
"GUYS LIKE YOU".
My case has been put to rest, your honor.