Mythic Shapeshifting Mastery and Many Forms interaction


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My Eldritch Knight has some questions about these two mythic path abilities.

Shapeshifting Mastery (Ex)

Your ability to magically adopt other forms is unparalleled, and you can expertly translate your arcane might into brawn. You add half your tier to the caster level of spells or extracts from the polymorph subschool. While under the effects of a spell or extract of the polymorph subschool, you can use your caster level instead of your base attack bonus when making natural attacks that rely on your new form.

My first question is if the 'caster level' is my base caster level, or the caster level for that particular spell (that was just boosted by the same ability).

My 2nd question is about how it interacts with this 3rd tier ability:

Many Forms (Su)

You can alter your appearance at will as if using alter self. You can expend one use of mythic power to change shape as if using polymorph, with a duration of 1 minute per tier. Your caster level for this ability is a number equal to 10 + your tier. At 6th tier, the duration of the polymorph ability increases to 10 minutes per tier.

Apparently this is a Su ability that acts 'as if' using alter self or polymorph. So would I be able to boost my BAB with natural attacks to my caster level while using it, or not? If so, would my caster level be the 10+tier specified in the text?


1. You added half your tier to the Caster Level, so that is now the new Caster Level. "Your" CL is the CL you cast the spell with methinks, though the wording is vague.

2. I don't think so, as you're not "under the effects of a spell or extract".


1) your caster level would be your caster level for that spell. There is nothing I can see to exclude you from using the boost from the ability itself.

2)Shapeshifting Mastery has no effect on Many Forms as it is a (Su) ability and is neither an extract or a spell.

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