My pardon if this is in the wrong area...I'm only newly catching up on the Pathfinder RPG materials.
One thing that struck me in a quick read through the magic item web suppliments is that the two magical "Deck of cards" items still follow the standard rules for using a regular deck of cards or a Tarot deck.
I was disappointed to find that, with Pathfinder having the Harrow deck built in, even a physical deck in print, you didn't incorporate rules for using a Harrow deck in conjunction with these two magic items.
Any chance of editing the Harrow deck in?
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My pardon if this is in the wrong area...I'm only newly catching up on the Pathfinder RPG materials.
One thing that struck me in a quick read through the magic item web suppliments is that the two magical "Deck of cards" items still follow the standard rules for using a regular deck of cards or a Tarot deck.
I was disappointed to find that, with Pathfinder having the Harrow deck built in, even a physical deck in print, you didn't incorporate rules for using a Harrow deck in conjunction with these two magic items.
Any chance of editing the Harrow deck in?
Are you talking about using the Harrow deck as a Tarot deck, or using it like the decks many things and illusion? It already has rules for Tarot like reading.
I'm talking about being able to use the Harrow deck (physical) in conjunction with the magic items "Deck of Illusions" and "Deck of Many Things".
Since Pathfinder has a deck associated with it, it makes more sense to me to associate the Harrow Deck with it (since it's world-specific, not to mention a saleable product) than to tie the Tarot deck to it.
Bella Sara Charter Superscriber
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Doesn't the Harrow deck itself include rules for using it as a Deck of Many Things?
The nice thing about having the magic decks based off of real cards is that they don't require an additional purchase. I'm not sure if it would make sense to have the rules in a product separate from the deck given that anyone who has the deck will have the appropriate rules already.
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I'm talking about being able to use the Harrow deck (physical) in conjunction with the magic items "Deck of Illusions" and "Deck of Many Things".
Since Pathfinder has a deck associated with it, it makes more sense to me to associate the Harrow Deck with it (since it's world-specific, not to mention a saleable product) than to tie the Tarot deck to it.
They already had a Harrow deck of many things in Pf# 12(I'm pretty sure that's the issue). They probably didn't reprint yet for the beta to save space. Who knows, it might make it into a 3.5-Pf conversion Doc.
They already had a Harrow deck of many things in Pf# 12(I'm pretty sure that's the issue). They probably didn't reprint yet for the beta to save space. Who knows, it might make it into a 3.5-Pf conversion Doc.I'm talking about being able to use the Harrow deck (physical) in conjunction with the magic items "Deck of Illusions" and "Deck of Many Things".
Since Pathfinder has a deck associated with it, it makes more sense to me to associate the Harrow Deck with it (since it's world-specific, not to mention a saleable product) than to tie the Tarot deck to it.
I agree with the OP; Paizo is missing a good opportunity to publicize one of their products. Those deck show an equivalent for a regular deck of cards and a Tarot deck. Adding the Harrow Deck would mean adding another column. I'm sure that could be doable without loosing too much print space...
Unless the harrow deck has effects of its own and is not compatible with the other magical deck. That could be possible as I do not know much of the Harrow Deck other than the illustrations...
'findel
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You could use the already-provided conversions of a regular deck of cards into Harrow cards (Harrow article, Pathfinder #7), but in reverse, and then figure out how it goes into one of the standard magical decks using the conversions from a regular deck of playing cards. Or, if I get energetic, I'll just do up a chart later. ;)
And yes, they did print the "Harrow Deck of Many Things" in Pathfinder #12 (Crown of Fangs), p.68.
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Hm... this is actually kinda fun. :) I just sat down and went through, on a first run (so there are probably better matches than I made) and paired up Harrow cards that made some sense to the effects of a Deck of Many Things. It's in the format of
Deck of Many Things Plaque = Harrow Card (Harrow Card meaning)
This isn't a direct relationship as translated through the listed Playing Cards... I actually tried to match up meanings. Have at and make some suggestions for better pairings :)
Balance = The Peacock (Sudden personal shift)
Comet = The Winged Serpent (Knowing when to strike)
Donjon = The Waxworks (Helplessness and entropy)
Euryale = The Juggler ((misaligned) Fate is not on your side)
The Fates = The Brass Dwarf (Invulnerability to current peril)
Flames = The Fiend (Many losses in a calamity (or outsider is in the area))
Fool = The Survivor ((misaligned) Tragic news or profound loss)
Gem = The Wanderer (Finding worth in cast-off things)
Idiot = The Idiot (Grave foolishness and greed)
Jester = The Unicorn (What you seek is yours)
Key = The Rabbit Prince (Capriciousness of Combat)
Knight = The Marriage (Union of persons or ideas)
Moon = The Locksmith (Keys to a new destiny)
Rogue = The Snakebite (Poisonous powers or ideas)
Ruin = The Betrayal (Selfishness leads to ruin)
Skull = The Beating (Attack from all sides)
Star = The Sickness ((misaligned) Great health in an epidemic)
Sun = The Eclipse ((misaligned) Unheralded abilities)
Talons = The Crows (Taking of loved ones or items)
Throne = The Paladin (Standing fast under adversity)
Vizier = The Cricket (Speed and quick passage)
The Void = The Rakshasa (Dominance and mind control)
Hm... this is actually kinda fun. :) I just sat down and went through, on a first run (so there are probably better matches than I made) and paired up Harrow cards that made some sense to the effects of a Deck of Many Things. It's in the format of
Deck of Many Things Plaque = Harrow Card (Harrow Card meaning)
This isn't a direct relationship as translated through the listed Playing Cards... I actually tried to match up meanings. Have at and make some suggestions for better pairings :)
Balance = The Peacock (Sudden personal shift)
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Very nicely done.
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Thanks. :) I'm actually prepping for running CotCT, so I'm spending time looking at the Harrow deck and it helps me get a better handle on the cards as well.
The only slightly annoying part would be fishing those cards out of the deck whenever it was needed for the deck of many things. But hey, it would be a nice touch at the gaming table.
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I got the Harrow Deck last week, and it looks like fun.
The concept of tying the cards to the 6 ability scores and the 9 alignments is inspired.
While some may feel that is meta-gamey to have the Harrow-reader refer to these in-game, it's probably likely that, in a world where spellcasters routinely target certain ability scores, and the afterlife has been proven to be divided along the ethical and moral axes, that the people of that world would have an understanding of these concepts. Just like our learned folk referred to the Seven Deadly Sins, the four humours of the body, the 13(?) chakras, etc.