Invisibilty and detect magic?


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I wish to know 2 things:
- when a spellcaster casts "invisibility" and wears a magic ring, does a "detect magic" can localize the ring and so the invisible man?
- does a "detect magic" can detect a potion in which there's a potion of "charm person" or another spell?
Thanks!

Scarab Sages

sempai33 wrote:

I wish to know 2 things:

- when a spellcaster casts "invisibility" and wears a magic ring, does a "detect magic" can localize the ring and so the invisible man?

Yes, but only in the third round from the casting.

A example: A sorcerer of level 4 with invisibility (caster level 4, faint aura) and a ring of protection (caster level 5, Faint aura). My wizard cast "detect magic"

Round 1 after the casting: I know that they are one o more magical effects in the area of spell.
Round 2 after the casting: I know that they are 2 magical auras, and the force of the greater. In the example the greater aura is a faint aura.
Round 3 after the casting: I know where are each aura. They are both in the same square at ten feet ahead from me. Also, I can do, as free action Spellcraft checks to detect the school of the magical effect (Illusion for the Invisibilty and Abjuration for the ring).

I can "locate" an invisible creature with a detect magic, but I can't attack her because the detect magic spell needs concentration, and doing it's an standard action. But I could locate the invisible creature and pinpoint her to my friends.... same thing that success with a hearing skill check.

sempai33 wrote:


- does a "detect magic" can detect a potion in which there's a potion of "charm person" or another spell? Thanks!

I'd say no to it. The potions are magical objects, and they are detected too by a "detect magic spell". But you can't say what spell effec are inside the potion bottle because you only know the school. With a detect magic you can't say that a potion is a "charm person potion". You only know that is a "enchanment potion". It could be a "charm person potion" or a "herorism potion" or any other spell from enchanment.


Endier1 wrote:


Yes, but only in the third round from the casting.

In the example the greater aura is a faint aura.

But you can't say what spell effec are inside the potion bottle because you only know the school.

Thanks a lot.

Where can I find the intensity of the aura for spell, because you talk about a "faint" aura?

But, you can identify the potion and the spell with en identify spell (or harrow for CoCT)?

Scarab Sages

sempai33 wrote:

Thanks a lot.
Where can I find the intensity of the aura for spell, because you talk about a "faint" aura?

In the spell's description of the PH. Also in d20srd.org

sempai33 wrote:


But, you can identify the potion and the spell with en identify spell (or harrow for CoCT)?

Yes, you can identity the effects of a potion with a "Identify" spell or, if you have an Alchemist Lab, with a Spellcraft check (Player's Handbook too, spellcraft skill description).

And, of course, with any "identify" effect, as the lesser power of the Harrow Deck.

Cheers


The invisible person doesn't need to be carrying a potion or a magic item though. Detect Magic will detect the invisibility spell. A Spellcraft check of DC17 (15 + spell level) would identify the school. As noted, it would take three rounds of concentration to pinpoint the invisible person (and they'd have to stay still and let you do it).

You can't use Identify on an invisible object someone else is carrying. You can't use Alchemy to identify an invisible potion someone is carrying. You have to see and handle the item for both of those, IMHO.

Scarab Sages

DMFTodd wrote:

The invisible person doesn't need to be carrying a potion or a magic item though. Detect Magic will detect the invisibility spell. A Spellcraft check of DC17 (15 + spell level) would identify the school. As noted, it would take three rounds of concentration to pinpoint the invisible person (and they'd have to stay still and let you do it).

You can't use Identify on an invisible object someone else is carrying. You can't use Alchemy to identify an invisible potion someone is carrying. You have to see and handle the item for both of those, IMHO.

Sure, of course. On both cases.

You can detect the invisibility spell AND any other objetct or magical effect that the invisible creature is carrying.
And you can't identify an objetc that you can't manipulate during the casting.

I'm sorry if I gave that impression. I'm not an english natural speaker...

Cheers

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