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PrC entry is based on ranks rather than bonuses, though, right? 'Class skill' gives you a bonus, not extra ranks.
No, if its a class skill reduce the SKill Rank requirement by 3, if its not a class skill double that figure.
E.g. if a PrC has Balance 7 ranks, in 3.5 that means 4th level for people for who it is a class skills, and 11th level if it is cross class.
In PF that requirement becomes 4 ranks in Acrobatics if its a class skill, or 8 ranks if its not. That equates to level 4 or level 8. Either way in PF you qualify at the same level or earlier.
But if this Factotum class does make every skill a class skill than dipping into it for 1 level could mean qualifing for a PrC at level 4 rather than level 11 (3.5) / level 8 (PF)!!!!!!!
The Savant from the Dragon Compendium Volume One has the same issue, but ultimately, I don't think that they can balance Pathfinder against two sort of corner case 3.5 classes that aren't even OGL.
I'm not sure how I would handle it if I had players that wanted to do this, but I'm not going to worry about it until the final game comes out, since for right now I'm only allowing Beta classes anyway.
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No, if its a class skill reduce the SKill Rank requirement by 3, if its not a class skill double that figure.
E.g. if a PrC has Balance 7 ranks, in 3.5 that means 4th level for people for who it is a class skills, and 11th level if it is cross class.
Isn't that for 3.5 PrCs (the note on Beta p52 at the beginning of the skills chapter that you're talking about)? I assumed that when Jason wrote the new PFRPG PrCs, he was talking about PFRPG skill ranks and the other note on p52 was for converting old PrCs (he mentions "3.5 Prestige Class" in the explanation). But I haven't looked that closely at the numbers to compare (although I note that Shadowdancer entry would be rather earlier for Rogues if that is the case).
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Isn't that for 3.5 PrCs (the note on Beta p52 at the beginning of the skills chapter that you're talking about)?
Yes, but unless there is another rule to use for determine when you qualify for Feats with a Skill Rank Pre-requisite I assume that would apply there too. If not, then it needs to be made clear.
And the rule should really be:
If Class Skill then PF Ranks required = 3.5 Ranks required -3
If Cross Class Skill then PF Ranks required = (2 x 3.5 Ranks required) -3
Whereas the latter currently reads as 2 x (3.5 Ranks required -3)
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Yes, but unless there is another rule to use for determine when you qualify for Feats with a Skill Rank Pre-requisite I assume that would apply there too. If not, then it needs to be made clear.And the rule should really be:
If Class Skill then PF Ranks required = 3.5 Ranks required -3
If Cross Class Skill then PF Ranks required = (2 x 3.5 Ranks required) -3
Whereas the latter currently reads as 2 x (3.5 Ranks required -3)
I ask the question here and make more comments here.
The default rule, for me, would be that when a PFRPG Prestige class says 'ranks', it means 'PFRPG ranks'. Otherwise, as I said in the second post I linked, we are in the ludicrous situation of having rank requirements for PFRPG Prestige Classes meaning "put this number into a formula for converting 3.5 Prestige Class ranks into PFRPG ranks, even though this is a PFRPG Prestige Class".
It does need to be laid out more clearly, yes. If it's as I think, it also means that getting into a PFRPG Prestige Class is as easy whether the ranks requirements are in class or non-class skills for you. This is a clear change from how it works for 3.5 Prestige Classes, in all-3.5 and also as per p52 for entry from PFRPG into 3.5 Prestige Classes. I am fine with it not depending on class skills -- the 'class skill' element is then just a +3 bonus, which is cool with me -- but it needs to be laid out. Also, I would say that the p52 rule should just be "Ranks-3" across the board except that could break stuff based on min levels for entry.
EDIT: It may be that the reason that the formula given on page 52 is like that is to make it less hard to meet requirements with non-class skills. To work out the same way as in 3.5, you are right that the equation would have to be changed.
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The default rule, for me, would be that when a PFRPG Prestige class says 'ranks', it means 'PFRPG ranks'.
Just to clarify, my comments in this thread were about 3.5 PrC as I hadn't realised the PF PRCs were out yet. Also my mention of feats is just me getting confused between threads, but it still stands - PF skill ranks make it easier to qualify for 3.5 feats where the skill in question is a cross class skill.
I do see your point about 3.5 PrCs being more expensive in terms of skill points if its a cross class skill, but no such distinction being made for PF PrCs. Maybe there is an assumption that 3.5 PrCs need to be balanced versis class and non-class skills whereas the PF PrCs can be built with balance in mind, regardless of that.