Patrick Swayze + Charlie Sheen = Red Dawn


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Slate has an article about Red Dawn and how it is still relevent today. I found it to be interesting and entertaining, as it contains several embedded clips from the movie. One thing I learned is that Red Dawn is holds the record for the most violent movie ever made. WOLVERINES!

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nah, couldn't be "most violent"! i seem to recall ALL early 80's movies started out with cuban soldiers opening fire on high schools for no good reason. heck, that was my favorite scene in the goonies! ;)

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You know the are doing a remake right?

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I'm fine with that as long as someone during the movie is encouraged to urinate into a radiator.

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Actually, the movie is #41 with 118 deaths, according to MovieBodyCounts.com.

#1? Return of the King Extended Edition with...836!

The highest rated single movie without a large-scale battle scene remains John Woo's "Lat sau san taam" ("Hard Boiled") with 307 deaths.


Daigle wrote:
I'm fine with that as long as someone during the movie is encouraged to urinate into a radiator.

I just want to see Kevin Costner drink his own pee in a film again. Is that so hard to deliver?!

Runner up (and not for pee drinking): Tony Jaa in The Protector. An elephant is thrown through a plate glass window. And Tony Jaa knees a guy in the chest from across the room.


Jal Dorak wrote:
The highest rated single movie without a large-scale battle scene remains John Woo's "Lat sau san taam" ("Hard Boiled") with 307 deaths.

Oh, my God, I loved that movie. Am I sick?

P.S. "Red Dawn" was just goofy enough to remake. What I want to know is, will it have a talking car?

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I really need to see Hard Boiled. Not because of the killings, but because it's apparently a really good movie. And I never get tired of seeing doves flying all over the place.


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Nameless wrote:
I really need to see Hard Boiled. Not because of the killings, but because it's apparently a really good movie. And I never get tired of seeing doves flying all over the place.

Good...'cause I saw this back in the 'Peg at Cinematheque (our resident low-budget, artsy fartsy theatre, in the heart of Winnipeg's Hooker-Ville.....leaving a midnight movie was always an interesting and entertaining experience ;-) and I'm here to tell you, there's a quite melodramatic love story (a staple of Hong Kong action flicks), some shoot-outs that need to be seen to be believed, and a metric arse-load of doves.

Did I mention the doves? ;-) ;-)

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Colin

P.S. Yeah, some might say it's too cheesy due to the overdone music during the really melodramatic parts, but that really is being true to the genre....whinging about it would be like watching an Italian gore movie from the late 70's and early 80's and then complaining about the sudden camera zooms and maggot-shots on zombies.

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13garth13 wrote:
Nameless wrote:
I really need to see Hard Boiled. Not because of the killings, but because it's apparently a really good movie. And I never get tired of seeing doves flying all over the place.

Good...'cause I saw this back in the 'Peg at Cinematheque (our resident low-budget, artsy fartsy theatre, in the heart of Winnipeg's Hooker-Ville.....leaving a midnight movie was always an interesting and entertaining experience ;-) and I'm here to tell you, there's a quite melodramatic love story (a staple of Hong Kong action flicks), some shoot-outs that need to be seen to be believed, and a metric arse-load of doves.

Did I mention the doves? ;-) ;-)

Sounds like I'm going to see this soon. I love melodrama, love, shootouts, and doves. A winning combination.


Nameless wrote:
I really need to see Hard Boiled. Not because of the killings, but because it's apparently a really good movie. And I never get tired of seeing doves flying all over the place.

The highlight of the movie for me is the really long continous shot during the big hospital shoot-out. I managed to get my mitts on the Critereon DVD last year and the scene has it's own chapter entitled, funnily enough, "Two minutes, forty-two seconds"


Jal Dorak wrote:
The highest rated single movie without a large-scale battle scene remains John Woo's "Lat sau san taam" ("Hard Boiled") with 307 deaths.

I highly recommend this movie if you don't mind subtitles.


Yeah, it was just as good as A Better Tomorrow, another Wu/Yun Fat blast-fest favorite.

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Chow Yun Fat in The Corrupter was freaking awesome. I'd seen him jump around doing the two-gun-fu stuff before, but I'd never really considered that he could *act.*


Set wrote:
Chow Yun Fat in The Corrupter was freaking awesome. I'd seen him jump around doing the two-gun-fu stuff before, but I'd never really considered that he could *act.*

If he can save a movie from Marky-Mark, he's okay in my book!

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T'Ranchule wrote:
Nameless wrote:
I really need to see Hard Boiled. Not because of the killings, but because it's apparently a really good movie. And I never get tired of seeing doves flying all over the place.
The highlight of the movie for me is the really long continous shot during the big hospital shoot-out. I managed to get my mitts on the Critereon DVD last year and the scene has it's own chapter entitled, funnily enough, "Two minutes, forty-two seconds"

Speaking of continuous action scenes, have you ever seen The Protector? It's a martial arts movie (feat. Tony Jaa) with an incredibly thin plot, but it has some of the best action scenes ever filmed, including the longest continuous action scene ever at about 4 minutes long. It is worth watching this movie just to see it.


Nameless wrote:
T'Ranchule wrote:
Nameless wrote:
I really need to see Hard Boiled. Not because of the killings, but because it's apparently a really good movie. And I never get tired of seeing doves flying all over the place.
The highlight of the movie for me is the really long continous shot during the big hospital shoot-out. I managed to get my mitts on the Critereon DVD last year and the scene has it's own chapter entitled, funnily enough, "Two minutes, forty-two seconds"
Speaking of continuous action scenes, have you ever seen The Protector? It's a martial arts movie (feat. Tony Jaa) with an incredibly thin plot, but it has some of the best action scenes ever filmed, including the longest continuous action scene ever at about 4 minutes long. It is worth watching this movie just to see it.

Can't say that I have. I spotted it at the shops a few times though. I'm intrigued.


I watched Red Dawn for the first time since it's original release just the other week ... and I must say I really liked it.

Surprisingly, given it's reputation, I found it pretty fair in it's treatment of the 'bad guys', the Cuban CO in particular is shown to be a pretty decent stick (especially towards the end of the movie), and most Russian soldiers are shown to be 'normal guy-type soldiers obeying orders'.

A great example of this is the three goofy Ruskis unlucky enough to be the first three victims of the Wolverines. That whole sequence where they are sight seeing and end up getting basically murdered is, imo, genuinely shocking and moving (as it was clearly intended to be). The last bit where Swayze stands by the car window pointing his gun at the wounded young Sov soldier and ultimately screws up his courage and resolve and shoots him in the face is as I say a very powerful and effective moment.

It's notable that for a 'silly movie' the survival rate of the heroes (who are shown several times to be anything but, for the most part) is very low indeed.

I read online Milius made the movie to show Americans what life was like every day for 'ordinary Afghans' fighting the Russian invaders of their country at that time. It was anti-Communist, but in a kinda sideline way, that wasn't actually the main thrust of the movie. Amazingly it was anti-war! So ... yeah, it's relevant today.

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