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Came across an eye opening statement this morning on the global POV on the US election - According to a Reader's Digest survey 'Anti-American attitudes were highest among those surveyed in Indonesia, the Netherlands, Spain and Canada.'

Reader's digest Story

Fox News summary article

Since a few of our international friends chime in on the election threads maybe they can weigh in.

Inflammatory section - Since I live in MI I also wonder if the Canadian perspective differs from Windsor to Vancouver, since Canadians seem to love shopping here, working here, and dumping a lot of their trash in MI landfills. Or is it because the US is viewed as a 3rd world country/redneck cousin?


Haters gonna hate.

The US has done a lot of crappy deeds in the past. Of course, pretty much every country has.

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I was going to go into this but why bother, the past 6 years or so have not exactly been our shining moments in foreign policies and relations... (Although even before that there was anti-American feelings but more from a general dislike of the last world superpower).


Callous Jack wrote:
I was going to go into this but why bother, the past 6 years or so have not exactly been our shining moments in foreign policies and relations... (Although even before that there was anti-American feelings but more from a general dislike of the last world superpower).

I can't help but agree.

Another thing interesting in the Fox article was that half of the 16 countries were still pro-American. So there is still some love out there.


As a Canadian, it fascinates me how my countrymen hate America, and it is quite true and even embarrassing that many Canadians detest America and Americans, even if they've never been there. I mean really, you guys never bombed us, although you blew up some of our soldiers when we went out to help you bomb other people....

But s%@# happens, right? Pilots need their uppers.

So I gotta say it's a pretty big flaw to an otherwise decent bunch of people (Canadians), although they are a little freaky about that hockey s+*!.

I never got it because I have lived in America is short stretches that add up to about 3 or 4 years and everyone in my family OTHER than me is American.

Now I don't like the American government, that's true, and although I detest Bush I don't see myself liking anyone else any better, cuz the American government is just gonna keep on with what it does.

But Americans... you guys are pretty cool.


May be that one of the problems is that the survey doesn't differentiate between America's behavior on the global stage and say...

  • shopping in Seattle
  • having some American friends
  • watching cool movies and having access to awesome TV in (more or less) your own idiom...

    Really, surveys are usually pretty mindless affairs.

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    Philippine-American relations would be better if you guys returned these bells.


    And for the record. Lots of Canadians hated America before Bush. There's just more hate now and it's easier to rationalize.


    CourtFool wrote:


    The US has done a lot of crappy deeds in the past. Of course, pretty much every country has.

    Yah. Like Norway. Man I hate those Norskis. And Sweden? Cut it out with those hot women, okay? I'm married. And Vikings totally sucked. In fact Scandinavians in general just can't be trusted.

    Hate, hate, hate.

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    Kruelaid wrote:

    Yah. Like Norway. Man I hate those Norskis. And Sweden? Cut it out with those hot women, okay? I'm married. And Vikings totally sucked. In fact Scandinavians in general just can't be trusted.

    Hate, hate, hate.

    So many reasons to hate them....

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    I go on vacation to Old Orchard Beach, which is *crawling* with Quebecoise on vacation. None of them seem to give a rat's rear about Fox News opinion of their opinion of us, and their teens and twenty-somethings appear to be shacking up with our teens and twenty-somethings as much as they were ten years ago, when I started vacationing there.

    It's possible they don't agree with every single thing our *government* has done, but then, we don't either, and that doesn't make us haters, just Americans.

    The day it becomes unpatriotic or un-American to disagree or voice dissent, is the day this country isn't America anyway.


    And that Set, is exactly why you guys are cool....

    You know, the shacking up and the dissent.


    I remember there was this girl in Seattle....

    And I was like "Hate America, love the girls, hate America, love the girls..."

    And she was like "UNnnnNNNNNNNN!!!!"

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    Kruelaid wrote:
    As a Canadian, it fascinates me how my countrymen hate America, and it is quite true and even embarrassing that many Canadians detest America and Americans, even if they've never been there. I mean really, you guys never bombed us, although you blew up some of our soldiers when we went out to help you bomb other people....

    See, I think what makes Canada hate Americans so much is the fact that we have no coherent national identity, and we're jealous of the Americans right below us who know what they're all about. In fact, many Canadians identify themselves by not being American, which is really sad on our part. But since we commonly say things like: "Hey, at least we're not American," it's not so far-fetched to eventually go to "Hey, those Americans are jerks" and finally "Man, I hate Americans!"

    For the record, I think you guys are all just great! Well, maybe not all of you, but I don't think the proportion of jerks is higher than here in Canada...

    Spoiler:
    OK, maybe the jerk ratio is a bit higher in America... See, there I go with my Canadian hatin'! Sorry guys!

    Kruelaid wrote:
    So I gotta say it's a pretty big flaw to an otherwise decent bunch of people (Canadians), although they are a little freaky about that hockey s&&~.

    WOOOOO!!! *chugs beer*

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    Kruelaid wrote:
    CourtFool wrote:


    The US has done a lot of crappy deeds in the past. Of course, pretty much every country has.

    Yah. Like Norway. Man I hate those Norskis. And Sweden? Cut it out with those hot women, okay? I'm married. And Vikings totally sucked. In fact Scandinavians in general just can't be trusted.

    Hate, hate, hate.

    I really don't care for the Swiss myself.

    Damn chocolates and cuckoo clocks...


    Set wrote:

    I go on vacation to Old Orchard Beach, which is *crawling* with Quebecoise on vacation. None of them seem to give a rat's rear about Fox News opinion of their opinion of us, and their teens and twenty-somethings appear to be shacking up with our teens and twenty-somethings as much as they were ten years ago, when I started vacationing there.

    It's possible they don't agree with every single thing our *government* has done, but then, we don't either, and that doesn't make us haters, just Americans.

    The day it becomes unpatriotic or un-American to disagree or voice dissent, is the day this country isn't America anyway.

    Kinda like when you don't go along with the PC crowd? Welcome to the USSA, the United Socialist States of America, comrade.


    Kruelaid wrote:
    CourtFool wrote:


    The US has done a lot of crappy deeds in the past. Of course, pretty much every country has.

    Yah. Like Norway. Man I hate those Norskis. And Sweden? Cut it out with those hot women, okay? I'm married. And Vikings totally sucked. In fact Scandinavians in general just can't be trusted.

    Hate, hate, hate.

    And what about those Normans and Saxons?! Look at what they did to the British Isles!

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    Callous Jack wrote:

    I really don't care for the Swiss myself.

    Damn chocolates and cuckoo clocks...

    Are they the ones with the wooden shoes and the lederhosen? Crap, can I just hate on all of Europe? Why do they need so many pissant little countries that I can't keep straight in my head? They should be, like, the United States of Europe or something, except that would be totally like them to rip off our idea!

    That would have saved me a crapload of time in geography class, if everybody was just like, The United States of Africa, and the United States of Russia and the United States of Asia.

    I totally wouldn't have fallen asleep all those times, if I wasn't expected to remember all those silly names! Why so hard to pronounce, anyway? Whacksmackistan or whatever. Don't they speak English?

    Yeesh.


    Callous Jack wrote:
    Kruelaid wrote:
    CourtFool wrote:


    The US has done a lot of crappy deeds in the past. Of course, pretty much every country has.

    Yah. Like Norway. Man I hate those Norskis. And Sweden? Cut it out with those hot women, okay? I'm married. And Vikings totally sucked. In fact Scandinavians in general just can't be trusted.

    Hate, hate, hate.

    I really don't care for the Swiss myself.

    Damn chocolates and cuckoo clocks...

    And Finland, Children of Bodom is from there and they have a song called Hate Crew Deathroll!

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    On a more serious note, I wonder how much of the anti-American sentiment is actually based on differences we have and how much is based on a percieved U.S. hatred of their country? I have met many people here in the states that hate the French, or the Germans, or the Canadians because they think that they hate us. I wonder if the same is true in other countries and their feelings towards the United States?

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    David Fryer wrote:
    On a more serious note, I wonder how much of the anti-American sentiment is actually based on differences we have and how much is based on a percieved U.S. hatred of their country? I have met many people here in the states that hate the French, or the Germans, or the Canadians because they think that they hate us. I wonder if the same is true in other countries and their feelings towards the United States?

    There are Americans who hate Canadians?! I didn't even know that was possible. We're so adorable! :)

    I can speak only for myself, but I've never felt hated by Americans. I always thought we were too miniscule in population for you to even notice us!

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    Nameless wrote:
    David Fryer wrote:
    On a more serious note, I wonder how much of the anti-American sentiment is actually based on differences we have and how much is based on a percieved U.S. hatred of their country? I have met many people here in the states that hate the French, or the Germans, or the Canadians because they think that they hate us. I wonder if the same is true in other countries and their feelings towards the United States?

    There are Americans who hate Canadians?! I didn't even know that was possible. We're so adorable! :)

    I can speak only for myself, but I've never felt hated by Americans. I always thought we were too miniscule in population for you to even notice us!

    Shh, don't tell anyone, but the Pentagon does not consider Canada beneath notice. There are files sitting in the strategic planning office labeled "Only open in event of invasion by Canada."

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    David Fryer wrote:
    Shh, don't tell anyone, but the Pentagon does not consider Canada beneath notice. There are files sitting in the strategic planning office labeled "Only open in event of invasion by Canada."

    We got you the first time. So now we're going to do what any rational albeit weaker neighbour will do: never attack you again, but continue to lord over you that first successful campaign!

    Note: We're really passive-agressive.

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    Nameless wrote:
    We got you the first time. So now we're going to do what any rational albeit weaker neighbour will do: never attack you again, but continue to lord over you that first successful campaign!

    You'll note that we moved our capital further south, after you burned the first one to the ground. Invade us again and we'll... we'll... move our capital to Guatemala! That'll teach you!

    Plus we got this whole global warming thing going on. Soon, you won't be able to play hockey *or* make Molsen Ice. You're doomed!

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    Set wrote:
    Nameless wrote:
    We got you the first time. So now we're going to do what any rational albeit weaker neighbour will do: never attack you again, but continue to lord over you that first successful campaign!

    You'll note that we moved our capital further south, after you burned the first one to the ground. Invade us again and we'll... we'll... move our capital to Guatemala! That'll teach you!

    Plus we got this whole global warming thing going on. Soon, you won't be able to play hockey *or* make Molsen Ice. You're doomed!

    Bah, we have so many forms of Hockey! You can't stop them all! Street hockey, field hockey, hock-hockey. They're all awesome. And if the unthinkable should happen, we'll just invest a bunch of federal money into ice-makers!

    We need our hockey.


    Yay for us Norman bastards!

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    Nameless wrote:
    Set wrote:
    Nameless wrote:
    We got you the first time. So now we're going to do what any rational albeit weaker neighbour will do: never attack you again, but continue to lord over you that first successful campaign!

    You'll note that we moved our capital further south, after you burned the first one to the ground. Invade us again and we'll... we'll... move our capital to Guatemala! That'll teach you!

    Plus we got this whole global warming thing going on. Soon, you won't be able to play hockey *or* make Molsen Ice. You're doomed!

    Bah, we have so many forms of Hockey! You can't stop them all! Street hockey, field hockey, hock-hockey. They're all awesome. And if the unthinkable should happen, we'll just invest a bunch of federal money into ice-makers!

    We need our hockey.

    Not to mention that we can use those ice makers to reverse global warming. Just drop a giant ice cube into the ocean ever decade or so and we'll be fine.


    Set wrote:


    Plus we got this whole global warming thing going on. Soon, you won't be able to play hockey *or* make Molsen Ice. You're doomed!

    Well, if we interfere with anyone's ability to make beer then we deserve the world's hatred. And a bit of self-loathing.


    Emperor7 wrote:
    Set wrote:


    Plus we got this whole global warming thing going on. Soon, you won't be able to play hockey *or* make Molsen Ice. You're doomed!

    Well, if we interfere with anyone's ability to make beer then we deserve the world's hatred. And a bit of self-loathing.

    The big American "beer" companies are all about interferring with everyone's ability to make *beer*.

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    Emperor7 wrote:
    Set wrote:


    Plus we got this whole global warming thing going on. Soon, you won't be able to play hockey *or* make Molsen Ice. You're doomed!

    Well, if we interfere with anyone's ability to make beer then we deserve the world's hatred. And a bit of self-loathing.

    I wouldn't call Molsen Ice beer.


    David Fryer wrote:
    On a more serious note, I wonder how much of the anti-American sentiment is actually based on differences we have and how much is based on a percieved U.S. hatred of their country? I have met many people here in the states that hate the French, or the Germans, or the Canadians because they think that they hate us. I wonder if the same is true in other countries and their feelings towards the United States?

    Certainly complex. Kinda like one of those self-fulfilling prophecies.

    Well, I'm willing to do my part to reverse this. Pls send all of the good-looking Canadian, French, Dutch, and Swedish women to the US and I'll do my best to demonstrate my capacity for love. Of course I may need some Viagra. ;)

    Next I'll have to convince the wife that my country needs me.

    Any volunteers to handle the other countries, or the men?


    David Fryer wrote:
    Emperor7 wrote:
    Set wrote:


    Plus we got this whole global warming thing going on. Soon, you won't be able to play hockey *or* make Molsen Ice. You're doomed!

    Well, if we interfere with anyone's ability to make beer then we deserve the world's hatred. And a bit of self-loathing.
    I wouldn't call Molsen Ice beer.

    Don't be a hater! That's what got us into this mess in the 1st place.


    We're sympatico today. Actually, not to further damage Canadian-American relations, but do any of their major "beer" companies actually make *beer* either?

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    Emperor7 wrote:
    David Fryer wrote:
    Emperor7 wrote:
    Set wrote:


    Plus we got this whole global warming thing going on. Soon, you won't be able to play hockey *or* make Molsen Ice. You're doomed!

    Well, if we interfere with anyone's ability to make beer then we deserve the world's hatred. And a bit of self-loathing.
    I wouldn't call Molsen Ice beer.
    Don't be a hater! That's what got us into this mess in the 1st place.

    But you didn't ask what I would call it. The reason I would not call it beer is because comparing such sweet nector of the gods to mear earthly beer is like comparing Pathfinder to Hero System ;p


    Mairkurion {tm} wrote:
    Emperor7 wrote:
    Set wrote:


    Plus we got this whole global warming thing going on. Soon, you won't be able to play hockey *or* make Molsen Ice. You're doomed!

    Well, if we interfere with anyone's ability to make beer then we deserve the world's hatred. And a bit of self-loathing.
    The big American "beer" companies are all about interfering with everyone's ability to make *beer*.

    Yeah, but don't buy into it. Imported beer rocks! err...mostly

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    Mairkurion {tm} wrote:
    We're sympatico today. Actually, not to further damage Canadian-American relations, but do any of their major "beer" companies actually make *beer* either?

    OK, I'm not getting the difference between "beer" and *beer*, or just plain ol' beer for that matter.

    As for our beer companies, sure they make awesome beer! But what we export to the States is watered down.

    We keep the best stuff for ourselves.

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    Emperor7 wrote:
    David Fryer wrote:
    On a more serious note, I wonder how much of the anti-American sentiment is actually based on differences we have and how much is based on a percieved U.S. hatred of their country? I have met many people here in the states that hate the French, or the Germans, or the Canadians because they think that they hate us. I wonder if the same is true in other countries and their feelings towards the United States?

    Certainly complex. Kinda like one of those self-fulfilling prophecies.

    Well, I'm willing to do my part to reverse this. Pls send all of the good-looking Canadian, French, Dutch, and Swedish women to the US and I'll do my best to demonstrate my capacity for love. Of course I may need some Viagra. ;)

    Next I'll have to convince the wife that my country needs me.

    Any volunteers to handle the other countries, or the men?

    If my country needs me, than I will voluteer to do my part to change the attitudes of Asian women everywhere.

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    David Fryer wrote:
    But you didn't ask what I would call it. The reason I would not call it beer is because comparing such sweet nector of the gods to mear earthly beer is like comparing Pathfinder to Hero System ;p

    I sense a poodle-thrashing in your near future.

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    Nameless wrote:
    David Fryer wrote:
    But you didn't ask what I would call it. The reason I would not call it beer is because comparing such sweet nector of the gods to mear earthly beer is like comparing Pathfinder to Hero System ;p
    I sense a poodle-thrashing in your near future.

    I predict a smurfing in theirs.


    Send me the belgian women, and let them bring their beer with them.


    Emperor7 wrote:
    David Fryer wrote:
    On a more serious note, I wonder how much of the anti-American sentiment is actually based on differences we have and how much is based on a percieved U.S. hatred of their country? I have met many people here in the states that hate the French, or the Germans, or the Canadians because they think that they hate us. I wonder if the same is true in other countries and their feelings towards the United States?

    Certainly complex. Kinda like one of those self-fulfilling prophecies.

    Well, I'm willing to do my part to reverse this. Pls send all of the good-looking Canadian, French, Dutch, and Swedish women to the US and I'll do my best to demonstrate my capacity for love. Of course I may need some Viagra. ;)

    Next I'll have to convince the wife that my country needs me.

    Any volunteers to handle the other countries, or the men?

    Yeah, I'm sure your wife will understand(LOL!).

    Scarab Sages

    There are very few beers (American or other) that I won't drink at least once. Except Coors - something just isn't right with that stuff.


    Kruelaid wrote:
    CourtFool wrote:


    The US has done a lot of crappy deeds in the past. Of course, pretty much every country has.
    Yah. Like Norway. Man I hate those Norskis. And Sweden? Cut it out with those hot women, okay? I'm married. And Vikings totally sucked. In fact Scandinavians in general just can't be trusted.

    Sweden and Norway were both involved in the Thirty Years’ War. Granted neither has been quite as uppity since.


    Nameless wrote:
    David Fryer wrote:
    But you didn't ask what I would call it. The reason I would not call it beer is because comparing such sweet nector of the gods to mear earthly beer is like comparing Pathfinder to Hero System ;p
    I sense a poodle-thrashing in your near future.

    Nah. I know David is an avid Hero player.

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    Just remember, we need to be aware of the threat of Canadian invasion. Will we allow their treachery to drip down like maple syrup?

    I think not.

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    CourtFool wrote:
    Nameless wrote:
    David Fryer wrote:
    But you didn't ask what I would call it. The reason I would not call it beer is because comparing such sweet nector of the gods to mear earthly beer is like comparing Pathfinder to Hero System ;p
    I sense a poodle-thrashing in your near future.
    Nah. I know David is an avid Hero player.

    I tried Hero a few times in my youth, but I never had a good enough grasp of math to handle it. I have considered picking it up again, to play Star Hero, but I haven't done it yet. When it comes to point based systems, I personally prefer GURPS.


    David Fryer wrote:
    I tried Hero a few times in my youth, but I never had a good enough grasp of math to handle it. I have considered picking it up again, to play Star Hero, but I haven't done it yet. When it comes to point based systems, I personally prefer GURPS.

    Was it the addition or the subtraction that threw you?

    G.U.R.P.S. is a good system.

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    CourtFool wrote:
    David Fryer wrote:
    I tried Hero a few times in my youth, but I never had a good enough grasp of math to handle it. I have considered picking it up again, to play Star Hero, but I haven't done it yet. When it comes to point based systems, I personally prefer GURPS.

    Was it the addition or the subtraction that threw you?

    It was actually when I had to start calculating the inverse of the cube root of the square of the quadraderal of pi.


    David Fryer wrote:
    It was actually when I had to start calculating the inverse of the cube root of the square of the quadraderal of pi.

    You were not playing Hero then. Maybe you got G.U.R.P.S. Vehicles confused with Hero.

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    David Fryer wrote:
    CourtFool wrote:
    Was it the addition or the subtraction that threw you?
    It was actually when I had to start calculating the inverse of the cube root of the square of the quadraderal of pi.

    Now I'm having flashbacks to V&V, calculating my super-heroes carrying capacity as 1/10th of Strength cubed, plus 1/10th of Endurance, times half of body weight. I had so much math memorized for that game...

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