I'm looking towards the future with my current group and wondering at the changes I would need to make to the epic game to continue with our current pathfinder rules set (if any).
Can anyone out there who is good with math tell me the formula by which I can continue the XP award chart and the XP to advance chart further into the epic levels?
Does anyone have any experience playing at these levels? Does Paizo begin to breakdown at epic levels?
Does anyone forsee problems with using Paizo at Epic levels? Should I continue awarding feats at odd levels (epic feats that is) or switch back to every 3?
Thank you in advance for any help
Oscar
Can anyone out there who is good with math tell me the formula by which I can continue the XP award chart and the XP to advance chart further into the epic levels?
At the highest levels and for Fast progression, The amout of XP needed to reach the next level is always (well, except at the first couple of levels) ~1,41 (square root of 2) times the amount of XP needed for this level.
To make this easier, you can just go and have the necessary amount for level X be twice the amount for level X-2.
Medium progression takes roughly 1.5 times as much XP as Fast, and Slow 1.5 times as much as Medium, but the numbers are usually rounded.
The XP award totals alternate between 1.5 times the previous amount and 1.333333 (4/3) times the previous amount.
Does anyone have any experience playing at these levels? Does Paizo begin to breakdown at epic levels?
I haven't played Pathfinder RPG at those levels, but I did play 3.0e and a bit 3.5e. Things sure get insane at those levels, but I can't tell you whether Pathfinder RPG changes that. I guess that because the epic rules are still 3.25 (they're mostly still 3.0 rules, though 3.5 did facelift them a little bit), the old problems aren't going away.
Maybe Paizo will do their own epic rules some day...
For your convenience:
CR Total XP
1 400
2 600
3 800
4 1.200
5 1.600
6 2.400
7 3.200
8 4.800
9 6.400
10 9.600
11 12.800
12 19.200
13 25.600
14 38.400
15 51.200
16 76.800
17 102.400
18 153.600
19 204.800
20 307.200
21 409.600
22 614.400
23 819.200
24 1.228.800
25 1.638.400
26 2.457.600
27 3.276.800
28 4.915.200
29 6.553.600
30 9.830.400
31 13.107.200
32 19.660.800
33 26.214.400
34 39.321.600
35 52.428.800
36 78.643.200
37 104.857.600
38 157.286.400
39 209.715.200
40 314.572.800
41 419.430.400
42 629.145.600
43 838.860.800
44 1.258.291.200
45 1.677.721.600
For your further convenience (note, I didn't round the numbers for medium and slow)
Level Slow Medium Fast
1 — — —
2 3.000 2.000 1.300
3 7.500 5.000 3.300
4 14.000 9.000 6.000
5 23.000 15.000 10.000
6 35.000 23.000 15.000
7 53.000 35.000 23.000
8 77.000 51.000 34.000
9 115.000 75.000 50.000
10 160.000 105.000 71.000
11 235.000 155.000 105.000
12 330.000 220.000 145.000
13 475.000 315.000 210.000
14 665.000 445.000 295.000
15 955.000 635.000 425.000
16 1.350.000 890.000 600.000
17 1.900.000 1.300.000 850.000
18 2.700.000 1.800.000 1.200.000
19 3.850.000 2.550.000 1.700.000
20 5.350.000 3.600.000 2.400.000
21 7.650.000 5.100.000 3.400.000
22 10.800.000 7.200.000 4.800.000
23 15.300.000 10.200.000 6.800.000
24 21.600.000 14.400.000 9.600.000
25 30.600.000 20.400.000 13.600.000
26 43.200.000 28.800.000 19.200.000
27 61.200.000 40.800.000 27.200.000
28 86.400.000 57.600.000 38.400.000
29 122.400.000 81.600.000 54.400.000
30 172.800.000 115.200.000 76.800.000
31 244.800.000 163.200.000 108.800.000
32 345.600.000 230.400.000 153.600.000
33 489.600.000 326.400.000 217.600.000
34 691.200.000 460.800.000 307.200.000
35 979.200.000 652.800.000 435.200.000
36 1.382.400.000 921.600.000 614.400.000
37 1.958.400.000 1.305.600.000 870.400.000
38 2.764.800.000 1.843.200.000 1.228.800.000
39 3.916.800.000 2.611.200.000 1.740.800.000
40 5.529.600.000 3.686.400.000 2.457.600.000
Thanks for the great work, KaeYoss !
Thanks for the great work, KaeYoss !
I confess: most of it was done by Excel.
Thanks for the great work, KaeYoss !I confess: most of it was done by Excel.
Would that I had the skill to so easily accomplish such a task. Thank you very much KaeYoss!
Oscar
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Thanks for the great work, KaeYoss !I confess: most of it was done by Excel.
What are the formula(s) you used for it? I have a player who has a character that has been basically unplayable by him for years and he would love to play it. Also I want to test myself as a DM by crafting an adventure for him while he plays this favored character.
He has had the character since first edition D&D which is part of the reason I would love to let him play the character again.
Oh and I entered your chart into my game files and things will get interesting I think as from the looks of it we can drop a lot of levels from the character and still have him at what I consider easily playable. I thank you for this work and I am certain the player will be pleased he can actually play the character once more. Thank you so much, but I would still love the exact formula(s) you used for the chart in excel.
The formulae - note, they are for epic levels and don't quite work out at lower levels:
To get fast XP Progression beyond 20, the formula is 2*(x-2). Means that if A21 Holds level 21 fast (and A20 holds 20th-level and so on), you enter "=A19*2". A22 will be =A20*2 and so on (you can use the autofill function)
Medium is 1.5* Fast, so for B21 (level 21 medium), you have "=A20*1.5"
Slow (to go into C21) = "B20*1.5"
XP Awards (single encounter)
If D21 is to contain the XP awarded for level 21 (and the lower cells the awards for lower levels), you enter =D20*4/3, and D22 is =D21*1.5. D23 is *4/3 again, 24 is *1.5, and so on. You can again use the autofill function: Simply enter the two furmulae, select both cells, and draw down. It will automatically fill in the formulae alternatelly.