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Unfortunately, Paizo does not publish their Adventure Paths under the 4th Edition ruleset, which means they generally would stay under level 20 (which is the highest level in D&D 3.5 and the upcoming Pathfinder RPG). However, by looking around the boards here, you'll find many wonderful conversions of Paizo products into 4th Edition. I'm sure you'll be able to find some great resources in there.
And, with a little bit of extra effort, I imagine it wouldn't be too difficult to extend one of Paizo's APs to 30 levels in 4E. You'd just have to be a little creative, but I'm sure it can be done without too much work.
Either way, best of luck running those APs! I've yet to run a single one yet, though they do all look fantastic! Enjoy!
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Unfortunately, Paizo does not publish their Adventure Paths under the 4th Edition ruleset, which means they generally would stay under level 20 (which is the highest level in D&D 3.5 and the upcoming Pathfinder RPG). However, by looking around the boards here, you'll find many wonderful conversions of Paizo products into 4th Edition. I'm sure you'll be able to find some great resources in there.
And, with a little bit of extra effort, I imagine it wouldn't be too difficult to extend one of Paizo's APs to 30 levels in 4E. You'd just have to be a little creative, but I'm sure it can be done without too much work.
Either way, best of luck running those APs! I've yet to run a single one yet, though they do all look fantastic! Enjoy!
Well, technically level 20 isn't the highest in 3.5. I'd personally love an AP that goes into epic levels under the 3.5 rules.
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I looked at what it would take to convert RHoD to 4e, and I think I would multiply every level by 1.5 to get its 4e equivalent (which still presents a trick because a CR 5 manticore is an EL 5 by itself in 3.5, and the 4e manticore is a level 10 elite, meaning it's a level 10 encounter if two are there... so the formula is still a bit different). This would help me avoid having to downsize a lot of the 4e creatures (like manticore, minotaur, etc.) to make them fit within acceptable encounter levels. Meaning for my method, a 20-level 3.5e path would become a 30-level 4e path when I'm finished (RHoD would be 7-16 or so).
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Well, technically level 20 isn't the highest in 3.5. I'd personally love an AP that goes into epic levels under the 3.5 rules.Unfortunately, Paizo does not publish their Adventure Paths under the 4th Edition ruleset, which means they generally would stay under level 20 (which is the highest level in D&D 3.5 and the upcoming Pathfinder RPG). However, by looking around the boards here, you'll find many wonderful conversions of Paizo products into 4th Edition. I'm sure you'll be able to find some great resources in there.
And, with a little bit of extra effort, I imagine it wouldn't be too difficult to extend one of Paizo's APs to 30 levels in 4E. You'd just have to be a little creative, but I'm sure it can be done without too much work.
Either way, best of luck running those APs! I've yet to run a single one yet, though they do all look fantastic! Enjoy!
Even if it was released as an "expansion" to an existing AP.
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Even if it was released as an "expansion" to an existing AP.
Well, technically level 20 isn't the highest in 3.5. I'd personally love an AP that goes into epic levels under the 3.5 rules.
Especially so. I think it'd be a much better idea to have a separate AP start at ~16 (where the current ones leave off) and end ~30 (at the latest). The beginning idea being that you're well known (or not) heros (from a previous AP), and continuing in whatever direction from there.
I think it'd be a good idea anyway...
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Even if it was released as an "expansion" to an existing AP.
Well, technically level 20 isn't the highest in 3.5. I'd personally love an AP that goes into epic levels under the 3.5 rules.Especially so. I think it'd be a much better idea to have a separate AP start at ~16 (where the current ones leave off) and end ~30 (at the latest). The beginning idea being that you're well known (or not) heros (from a previous AP), and continuing in whatever direction from there.
I think it'd be a good idea anyway...
Not very marketable, though. Enough people shy away from high level play that I imagine sales would be substantially lower for a 6-month AP that was not only a sequel but entirely levels 16+. A company of Paizo's size can't really afford to spend the time and money on half a year's-worth of products for them not to do well. Not saying I wouldn't buy them and love them, but I would be very surprised if we see this in the next five years or more. Maybe someday.
Not very marketable, though. Enough people shy away from high level play that I imagine sales would be substantially lower for a 6-month AP that was not only a sequel but entirely levels 16+. A company of Paizo's size can't really afford to spend the time and money on half a year's-worth of products for them not to do well. Not saying I wouldn't buy them and love them, but I would be very surprised if we see this in the next five years or more. Maybe someday.
I suspect your right. This is the kind of product one serously considers when sales of existing products begin to go slack. Its an interesting idea more as an alternative to another standard AP only if the market seems to be saturated with standard APs and the customer base has significantly decreased its purchases.
Epic level possibilities have been mentioned before, and so far the comments have (understandably) been that since epic level gaming is too marginal, we shouldn't hold our breaths waiting for products on that area...
Now, what I would like to see are shorter APs, from level 5 to 10 or such.
Now, what I would like to see are shorter APs, from level 5 to 10 or such.
Don't hold your breath, they won't do APs with less than 6 parts.
But there might be Pathfinder Modules that are conntected. I think the LB (Last Baron) Modules will be connected.
I wouldn't mind a good epic adventure path, either, but the point is that you can't compare 4e levels to D&D/Pathfinder levels. You can't even just go and multiply everything by 1.5, since critters' power levels will be different. And, of course, lots of critters simply aren't there for 4e.
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I would really like to see a "campaign arc" (three to five adventures) that starts off from the high levels where current APs usually finish, and then goes into epic levels territory.
IIRC, this general idea was discussed a couple of times in the past, under the "it's possible that we consider doing this" line of thought.
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IF the PRPG can acheive one of its stated goals of making high level play easier and more accessable, then I think we will see some higher level adventures.
IF they are able to acheive that goal and are confident of it I would kick off the new PRPG with an EXTRA AP designed for High to Epic play (say lvl 15 to 25ish). This would be a way of saying "Look what you can now do!"
In fact, I would like to see an AP start about 15 and do some planar jumping (Boneyards are a definite must here) and end with the PCs taking the Test of the Starstone. Now THAT would be a great ending.
Right now, I am not so confident that taming high level play will be acheived. The Beta did nothing at all for it.
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It already takes a significant amount of time to run 1 AP to level 20...I can only imagine the amount of time it would take to reach a level 30 AP...
I'm not really wanting epic levels. The 3.0/5 system sucked...I actually allow players to continue to level normally, just they have to have additional PrCs or another class...so a level 22 character, could be a 20FTR/2ROG or 20ROG/2Shadowdancer etc.
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We have an Epic game that meets occasionally- only due to players scttering across the state. So far we haven't had any real trouble playing epics. The only problem is the game play tends to bog down because there are so many options it takes some time to determine which of the 20+ feats you want to use and in what combination, what of the scores of spells do you want to cast etc.
If the scenarios are focused it really isn't any different than lower level play. When we hit 21 we were expecting these world shattering abilities. But turns out you get a +1 to hit, +1 to saves, a new normal feat because face it who has STR 45!?!? even at 20.
If you take away the Epic moniker and just made the game go from 1-50 you wouldn't see that much change I think.
Just too many options.
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I am a D&D 4e DM but I depend on Paizo for content. I think it's the best, for sure. The adventure paths are just awesome. However, will we be seeing any level 1 to 30 APs?Perhaps one of the two APs per year can be a 16-30 AP with its own plot. Then, a DM can use it as is as a high level AP. But, it should also be structured in such a way such to be connectable to one or more of the previous 1-15 APs. In this way the 16-30 AP can be combined with a previous 1-15 AP for one grand epic 1-30 AP.
However it's done, I sure would like to see Paizo take us from level 1 all the way to level 30.
Scott Betts is doing conversion notes for RotRL here (I forget where the actual Paizo thread is as I don't care for 4e and was only mildly curious). It seems that he decided to forgo a straight level-to-level conversion and instead nudged the levels here and there to be more organic for 4e play.
You could consider this method, if nothing else, when you decide to do your own conversions.
I am a D&D 4e DM but I depend on Paizo for content. I think it's the best, for sure. The adventure paths are just awesome. However, will we be seeing any level 1 to 30 APs?Perhaps one of the two APs per year can be a 16-30 AP with its own plot. Then, a DM can use it as is as a high level AP. But, it should also be structured in such a way such to be connectable to one or more of the previous 1-15 APs. In this way the 16-30 AP can be combined with a previous 1-15 AP for one grand epic 1-30 AP.
However it's done, I sure would like to see Paizo take us from level 1 all the way to level 30.
Scott Betts is doing conversion notes for RotRL here (I forget where the actual Paizo thread is as I don't care for 4e and was only mildly curious). It seems that he decided to forgo a straight level-to-level conversion and instead nudged the levels here and there to be more organic for 4e play.
You could consider this method, if nothing else, when you decide to do your own conversions.
The Paizo thread for the project is here. Thanks for the plug.
I'm playing it by ear as far as the level conversions go. The first adventure (Burnt Offerings) is being designed to take the PCs part of the way through level 4 before it ends. I'm shooting for a finishing point at around level 25-26 for the entire adventure path, which is close to a 1.5x conversion of the original adventure path's level. I don't want to guarantee anything, but the system is more than flexible enough to allow you to tune the leveling schedule without affecting the flow of the adventure.
Feel free to make suggestions or comments either on the blog itself or the Paizo thread linked above.