I'm curious, is the hand crossbow bayonet listed under
She wears an intricately crafted chain shirt and equally exotic weapons, including a hand crossbow fitted with a pair of slender blades that she can wield as a dagger.
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Melee mwk hand crossbow bayonet +7 (1d4+1/19–20 plus poison)
So if a PC were to take a hankering to this thing, is wielding this weapon considered equivalent to wielding a dagger as the flavor text suggests? Also, the crossbow is enchanted but the melee/ dagger portion is not, but the bayonet portion appear to be masterwork, is this correct? I assume the different portions of the weapons are enchanted separately similar to the way a double weapon is enchanted? How much would it cost to have a crossbow like this made or to have a bayonet added to an normal hand crossbow?
Ok... enough oddball questions. I just know one of my players is going to want this thing and would like to be ready :)
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Yeah; fitting a bayonet to a crossbow is pretty much just like affixing a dagger to it. They do remain separate weapons, though, and as such would have to be magiced up as separate weapons in the same way a spiked shield is a Weapon + a Shield. Adding a bayonet to a crossbow is relatively easy and simple, in any case. Double normal dagger cost is probably fine.
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It's kind of funny, because my main Fighter player for this campaign is playing an Archer who built a bow+spear combo so he could attack in melee. He'll flip when he sees drow doing the same thing. Nice touch, Paizo. In his case I made it an exotic weapon, and slightly reduced the damage on the spear to 1d4. I figured it was a fair trade for such an awkward, advantageous combination.
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It's a nice way to threaten adjoining squares when using a ranged weapon, though it still provokes an AoO to fire...but not to stab!
Yup. That's what my player was going for.
It saves you a two move actions every time you need to switch weapons (one to draw, one to pick up the discarded weapon later). Also saves you from having Quick Draw, and means you always threaten melee despite having a ranged weapon.
What weapon proficiency would you use for that?
Let's look at the stat block (pp. 45-46).
Depora hasn't taken any additional exotic weapon proficiencies over and above what she gets for being a drow. She does, however, have both weapon specialization and weapon focus for the hand crossbow, neither of which are applied when she uses it for melee attacks. We can infer from this that it doesn't use the same proficiency (which makes sense).
We can also see that she can use it proficiently. This means that it's either a simple or a martial weapon. Personally I think that the added trickiness of holding the stock of a crossbow and jabbing someone makes it at least as tricky to use as a shortsword, so I'm leaning toward calling it martial.
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That sounds reasonable.
As an aside, there was a device invented in the 17th century to allow a soldier to carry a pike and a longbow in the same hand. It was sort of a swivel connector as far as I can tell. The idea was to allow pikemen to fire their bow while maintaining a pike formation.
What weapon proficiency would you use for that?Let's look at the stat block (pp. 45-46).
Depora hasn't taken any additional exotic weapon proficiencies over and above what she gets for being a drow. She does, however, have both weapon specialization and weapon focus for the hand crossbow, neither of which are applied when she uses it for melee attacks. We can infer from this that it doesn't use the same proficiency (which makes sense).
We can also see that she can use it proficiently. This means that it's either a simple or a martial weapon. Personally I think that the added trickiness of holding the stock of a crossbow and jabbing someone makes it at least as tricky to use as a shortsword, so I'm leaning toward calling it martial.
Well it's pretty clearly not exotic. I figured just treat it as a dagger and therefore a simple weapon since that's the word used in the book and James used also. I think your suggestion that it should be a marital weapon it would be reasonable as well.
I'll have to think on this one, the character in question is a rogue so it makes a difference.
Complete Adventurer... or Scoundrel had crossbow bayonet stuff. But yeah, they're daggers. :)
Just wanted to throw this out there... the crossbow bayonet is considered a spear. The handbow bayonet is a dagger. In Complete Scoundrel, there's a -2 penalty to use the melee attachment, which pretty much makes sense.
It's not an exotic weapon. I'd say it's a simple weapon.
Always good to hear it straight from the T-Rex's mouth!