Wizards - Are there actually any spell-like abilities?


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Scarab Sages

I'm a little confused about the section in Arcane Schools, on page 195. The second paragraph under the header says:

"Arcane schools grant one ability at 1st level, 8th level, and 20th level, as noted in their description. Unless otherwise noted, these abilities are activated by using a standard action. The wizard's level is used when determining the caster level of these effects. The DC for any save is equal to 10 + the spell's level + the caster's Charisma modifier. Arcane school powers that mimic spells are spell-like abilities, while the others are supernatural."

First of all, I went through the list and don't see any powers that are marked as (Sp). All appear to have the Supernatural notation of (Su). I believe one player thinks the bonus spells granted at each even level are the Spell-Like Abilities, but the section explaining them begins:

"In addition to these abilities, each school also grants a number of bonus spells. ... to prepare every day as a bonus spell."

It looks like the whole part about SLAs is limited to the second paragraph, while 'preparing' (common verbage with any wizard spell) is used to refer to the bonus spells.

My question is...are there actually any Spell-Like Abilities for the Wizard anymore, or is this text leftover from the Alpha? It matters very much for my Wizard's player, who has a 20 Intelligence but only a 7 Charisma (IE low DCs with SLAs).

Thanks!

Scarab Sages

(Bump)


I'd say it's a hold-over from the alpha schools.


They mentioned they were getting rid of spell-like abilities, and instead adding bonus spells.


On the subject of bonus spells, do universalist get them or not? I can't quite figure it out and it's a huge thing.

Liberty's Edge

Black Tom wrote:
On the subject of bonus spells, do universalist get them or not? I can't quite figure it out and it's a huge thing.

I appears that the universalists DO indeed get bonus spells from any chosen school. See Pathfinder Beta Version, p.194:

"In addition to these abilities, each school also grants a
number of bonus spells. Whenever a wizard attains the listed
level, he can choose one spell from his school to prepare every
day as a bonus spell. Instead of gaining a spell of the listed
level, the wizard can instead choose a spell of a lower level,
which he can then prepare twice per day (except for 2nd level).
A universalist can choose spells from any school. Once chosen,
these spells cannot be changed."

[Emphasis added].


Saurstalk wrote:
Black Tom wrote:
On the subject of bonus spells, do universalist get them or not? I can't quite figure it out and it's a huge thing.

I appears that the universalists DO indeed get bonus spells from any chosen school. See Pathfinder Beta Version, p.194:

"In addition to these abilities, each school also grants a
number of bonus spells. Whenever a wizard attains the listed
level, he can choose one spell from his school to prepare every
day as a bonus spell. Instead of gaining a spell of the listed
level, the wizard can instead choose a spell of a lower level,
which he can then prepare twice per day (except for 2nd level).
A universalist can choose spells from any school. Once chosen,
these spells cannot be changed."

[Emphasis added].

Yes, I read that, but I don't quite understand it, since universalism isn't a school and shouldn't be granting bonus spells. I incline toward your interpretation, but it's not entirely clear to me. Or maybe I'm just refusing to believe it.

Scarab Sages

Likely refusal. I kind of wish the 'generalists/universalists' didn't get bonus spells, but I can understand it. It's much easy to specialize in this version now, since you can still prepare all your banned schools, you just won't get your 'school' power.


Here are a couple of critical questions:

Are these spells added to her spell book? (IE can she prepare them in normal slots or does she have to learn the spell normally too?)
Are these spells limited to the Sor/Wiz X list?

It should be emphasized that these bonus spells bring bonus slots. Sometimes "bonus spell" means spell known and sometimes it means extra slot.

IMarv

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