The ability score methods section doesn't state that the player should check with the GM before choosing a method. I thought this went without saying, but I just ran into a problem with an experienced player who ought to have known better.
Please, for the newbies, insert a sentence explaining that you should check with the GM before generation ability scores. Otherwise, someone might take away that they were all equally valid no matter what!
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definitively fair
a friend and me considering we always give "point buy" for 32 points, thought that our gm would give us pathfinder's 'point buy' for 25
later we needed to take 5 points from our chars :P
but i think your player was being munchkin
he just took the method that riped more benefits for him
its as easy as the book says... i am the gm i can dissallow that, and that and that... sorry pal
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20 points in Pathfinder can get you the following array:
16, 15, 13, 12, 10, 8
With the extra +2 for every ability score (I'll go with human since they have no other variables), you can bump those up to:
18, 15, 13, 12, 10, 8
This equates to 35 points in D&D 3.5, I believe.
With the 25 point buy in Pathfinder, you can get:
17, 15, 13, 12, 10, 10
With the extra +2:
17, 17, 13, 12, 10, 10
This equates to 39 points in D&D 3.5.
My numbers may be a bit off, I'm trying to go off both point buy systems from memory. Either way, Pathfinder characters, even at 20 point buy, are still going to be significantly powerful.
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My numbers may be a bit off, I'm trying to go off both point buy systems from memory. Either way, Pathfinder characters, even at 20 point buy, are still going to be significantly powerful.
remember 3.5 attributes in point buy began with 8, pathfinders is 10
if you want to have a 18 in an attribute in 3.6 you spend 16 points... half of your 32 max
if you do the same in pathfinder you spend 17... and are left with 8 points from 25...
as you they are not equal at all, ok you can get something in between but remember pathfinder system si more expensive in the end.
other example 3.5 to get 14 in an atribute, you need 6, in pathfinder you need only 5, but again remember... you began in 8 and 10 respectively.
i do not complain about the cost... i like it... i just like 25 more than 20 :P
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My numbers may be a bit off, I'm trying to go off both point buy systems from memory. Either way, Pathfinder characters, even at 20 point buy, are still going to be significantly powerful.
remember 3.5 attributes in point buy began with 8, pathfinders is 10
I remembered, and double checked my math. The numbers I listed should be accurate.
Also remember with Pathfinder you can 'regain' points by giving yourself a score lower than 10.
As it stands, overall, 20 Pathfinder points are superior to the highest point buy variant in 3.5 (32 points), and 25 points are just crazy.
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As it stands, overall, 20 Pathfinder points are superior to the highest point buy variant in 3.5 (32 points), and 25 points are just crazy.
Would have to checkmyself when i arrive home
but i will say no... at least not before racial +2i do remember they being pretty close... we also checked the difference between them a month ago.
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In 3.5, the point buy system is:
Everything starts at 8
09 = 1
10 = 2
11 = 3
12 = 4
13 = 5
14 = 6
15 = 8
16 = 10
17 = 13
18 = 16
In Pathfinder, the point buy system is:
Everything starts at 10
07 = -4
08 = -2
09 = -1
10 = 0
11 = 1
12 = 2
13 = 3
14 = 5
15 = 7
16 = 10
17 = 13
18 = 17
(hopefully I can include these. If not, please feel free to edit them out)
So with 20 points in Pathfinder, we can buy the following array:
16 (10), 15 (7), 13 (3), 12 (2), 10 (0), 8 (-2)
Even before the racial bonus, this is equivalent to 29 points in D&D 3.5.
The main bonus is that every race now has an extra +2 to their stats, which should not be forgotten when directly comparing the point buy methods from one version to another. Sure, 20 point buy in PF is only 29 in 3.5, not higher than the highest in 3.5, but if you're playing Pathfinder, you're going to get that extra +2, if you are playing a core race.
Applying it to the highest stat, in this case the 16 (bumping it up to an 18) adds another 6 points with D&D 3.5 point buy, bringing the grand total up to 35. Applying it to the lowest stat, the 8 (to a 10) only makes the total go up by 2 points, but that's still 31, almost enough to make the highest 3.5 standards.
I have both books open right now, so I'm pretty sure the calculations are sound. :) It's just like everyone's been saying, Pathfinder is stronger than standard 3.5, even with 'only' 20 points. Go to 25 point buy, and you get some incredibly powerful characters.