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Does any else here wonder if you could trap and image between some mirrors even after the source was taken away by angling the mirrors just so?

Grand Lodge

No.

No one else wonders that.

;)

-W. E. Ray

Grand Lodge

Though it would be really cool.

Dark Archive

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I bet you are now :P


If you use six square mirrors and build a box, could there be light waves *trapped* within?

You could trap an image of yourself in such a box, cool it to near absolute zero and maybe store it forever.

In fact, we may all be trapped in such a box in Yog-Sothoth's attic. I hope he hasn't forgot about us.


Television?

Paizo Employee Director of Narrative

Everyone knows that mirrors are really called leaks, because they are cracks between two dimensions.

That's how well-respected Kilgore Trout has become.

Grand Lodge

Tensor wrote:
In fact, we may all be trapped in such a box in Yog-Sothoth's attic. I hope he hasn't forgot about us.

This is impossible Tensor.

(Stick with math, huh).

Everyone knows Yog-Sothoth is an it and not a he.

-W. E. Ray

Dark Archive

Its her third revision at least she'll get tere eventually :D

Here is her original post:

Tensor wrote:

The instructions on how to do this are on page 1,492 of the Necronomicon.

Next time you are in the city of Zenge, drop by and I'll show you how it works.


Molech wrote:
Tensor wrote:
In fact, we may all be trapped in such a box in Yog-Sothoth's attic. I hope he hasn't forgot about us.

This is impossible Tensor.

(Stick with math, huh).

Everyone knows Yog-Sothoth is an it and not a he.

-W. E. Ray

:: shakes head


Daigle wrote:

Everyone knows that mirrors are really called leaks, because they are cracks between two dimensions.

That's how well-respected Kilgore Trout has become.

So, this answers David's original question. You can never trap a light ray between two mirrors, because the ray will eventually pass through one mirror and out into another dimension.

Daigle is smart!

Dark Archive

Tensor wrote:
Daigle wrote:

Everyone knows that mirrors are really called leaks, because they are cracks between two dimensions.

That's how well-respected Kilgore Trout has become.

So, this answers David's original question. You can never trap a light ray between two mirrors, because the ray will eventually pass through one mirror and out into another dimension.

Daigle is smart!

awww really?

how long would it stay there though?

not long enough to notice? long enough to go get your friends? just long enough to tell you saw it?

Grand Lodge

Only long enough for Yog-Sothoth to eat the rays.

Grand Lodge

Daigle is smart?

-James Keegan


David Wickham wrote:
Tensor wrote:
Daigle wrote:

Everyone knows that mirrors are really called leaks, because they are cracks between two dimensions.

That's how well-respected Kilgore Trout has become.

So, this answers David's original question. You can never trap a light ray between two mirrors, because the ray will eventually pass through one mirror and out into another dimension.

Daigle is smart!

awww really?

how long would it stay there though?

not long enough to notice? long enough to go get your friends? just long enough to tell you saw it?

Well, lets assume that there is a 2% chance, that with each bounce, the ray will pass through into another dimension. What is the expected number of bounces then? And, given the speed of light with the mirrors a know distance apart how much time (on average) would you have to see the image?

These are all trivial calculations I leave for the reader. You may want to make that 2% a variable. Call it p. Solve for the time as a function of p.

Hint: use 'distance = velocity * time', and the Geometric Distribution.

Grand Lodge

Okay, I change my mind, don't stick to math.

Unless we can pick teams, then Chris Mortika is on my team.

-W. E. Ray


Molech wrote:

Okay, I change my mind, don't stick to math.

Unless we can pick teams, then Chris Mortika is on my team.

-W. E. Ray

I get: E[time] = E[number of bounces]*d / c = d/(p*c).


David Wickham wrote:

Its her third revision at least she'll get tere eventually :D

Here is her original post:

Tensor wrote:

The instructions on how to do this are on page 1,492 of the Necronomicon.

Next time you are in the city of Zenge, drop by and I'll show you how it works.

I didn't want you to know I have a copy...

Dark Archive

Tensor wrote:
David Wickham wrote:

Its her third revision at least she'll get tere eventually :D

Here is her original post:

Tensor wrote:

The instructions on how to do this are on page 1,492 of the Necronomicon.

Next time you are in the city of Zenge, drop by and I'll show you how it works.

I didn't want you to know I have a copy...

You could always say you read it at B&N or Borders or something...


David Wickham wrote:
You could always say you read it at B&N or Borders or something...

yay, you can read stuff for free at those places.

Liberty's Edge

David Wickham wrote:
I bet you are now :P

Jerk.

Liberty's Edge

Tensor wrote:
David Wickham wrote:
You could always say you read it at B&N or Borders or something...
yay, you can read stuff for free at those places.

If you finish a book in the store, they can't charge you for information theft. Yet.

In other words; SCREW YOU LARS ULRICH!


Maybe someone has already figured this out, but the parameter we don’t really know is what the actual probability is of looking into a mirror and being sucked into another dimension. My first guess was 2%, but after thinking about it this is way waaay too large. 2% implies that about one time out of every fifty times a person looks into a mirror they will cross over to another dimension. If this were true, people would be disappearing all around us!!

Luckily, we can actually set up and do an experiment to figure out what the probability is of passing through a mirror, by using the set up David has suggested in his original post. If we set up two mirrors and measure how long it takes for a trapped image to disappear we can directly measure this ‘leak’ probability.

I had to tap into the meta-physical community, here in my city, to find somebody capable of pulling this off with two mirrors, but luckily a few friends were more than eager.

The Math: Using our equation from above, time = distance-between-mirrors / ( probability * speed-of-light) we can use algebra to manipulate it and solve for ‘probability’.

So, probability = distance-between-mirrors / ( time * speed-of-light). We want a number for ‘probability’, so we need numbers for ‘distance-between-mirrors’, ‘time’, and ‘speed-of-light’.

‘speed-of-light’ is a constant in our universe at 300,000,000 m/s.
‘distance-between-mirrors’ is something we can control, so we set it at 1 meter.
‘time’ is something we don’t know, but will measure with a stop-watch.

The Experiment: To get ‘time’ a meta-physician friend set up the two mirrors in his lab. Then, by ways mysterious to me, he captured an image between them, and we watched it bounced back and forth between the mirrors. We used a stop-watch to measure how long it took before the image disappeared by passing through one of the mirrors and into another dimension. The number we got was 10 seconds. 10 SECONDS.

Plugging all these numbers into our ‘probability’ equation using a spreadsheet, we got the very small number 0.00000000333 %. Wow, that is very small, but it does explain why people are not popping through mirrors all the time. The chance of it happening is quite small.

So, how often do people around us actually ‘leak’ through mirrors into other dimensions? An interesting conclusion can be drawn from this ‘probability’ number, if you take the number one divided by that small number (as a decimal) you can deduce that the expected number of times a person *should* disappear into another dimension, by looking into a mirror, is about one person per day! ( assuming one further thing, that about half the world’s population looks into a mirror at least once a day)

To say again, about ONE PERSON PER DAY looks into a mirror and gets sucked into another dimension.

Where socks go is another matter.


Summon yellowdingo.

Paizo Employee Director of Narrative

Molech wrote:

Daigle is smart?

-James Keegan

Hey, wait! What's that supposed to mean? And why're ya bringing Keegs into it?

Don't you teach American Lit, Molech?

Liberty's Edge

Leeroy Jenkins wrote:
Summon yellowdingo.

The fate of the world rests in his hands.

The Exchange

David Wickham wrote:

Does any else here wonder if you could trap and image between some mirrors even after the source was taken away by angling the mirrors just so?

Thought about it years ago.

1. You cant take the source away without transfering that event to the quantum data on the mirrors.

2. Even if you altered the position of the mirrors to trap the event and free the source, you distort the shape of the quantum data by moving the mirrors.

3. If you took an image and reflected it into a mirror loop the quantum data corrodes because of the perpetual neutrino shower interacting with the image data during transfer and reflection.

OPTION A: The Mirror could be at superposition to capture image data as it surges between two possibilities (Mirror x at location ALPHA and Mirror x at location BETA). The victim dies screaming because you just trapped them between two mirrors.

"Victor Frankenstien, you Bastard! You killed Kenny!"

OPTION B: The Image could be at Superposition to the Mirror, but then you wouldnt need to install the image because it would already be in the mirror...and playing with two mirrors to transfer a superposition event from one mirror to the other will just get you beaten up by the other scientists who think you know to much and they dont like smart arses.

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Tensor wrote:

Maybe someone has already figured this out, but the parameter we don’t really know is what the actual probability is of looking into a mirror and being sucked into another dimension. My first guess was 2%, but after thinking about it this is way waaay too large. 2% implies that about one time out of every fifty times a person looks into a mirror they will cross over to another dimension. If this were true, people would be disappearing all around us!!

Luckily, we can actually set up and do an experiment to figure out what the probability is of passing through a mirror, by using the set up David has suggested in his original post. If we set up two mirrors and measure how long it takes for a trapped image to disappear we can directly measure this ‘leak’ probability.

I had to tap into the meta-physical community, here in my city, to find somebody capable of pulling this off with two mirrors, but luckily a few friends were more than eager.

The Math: Using our equation from above, time = distance-between-mirrors / ( probability * speed-of-light) we can use algebra to manipulate it and solve for ‘probability’.

So, probability = distance-between-mirrors / ( time * speed-of-light). We want a number for ‘probability’, so we need numbers for ‘distance-between-mirrors’, ‘time’, and ‘speed-of-light’.

‘speed-of-light’ is a constant in our universe at 300,000,000 m/s.
‘distance-between-mirrors’ is something we can control, so we set it at 1 meter.
‘time’ is something we don’t know, but will measure with a stop-watch.

The Experiment: To get ‘time’ a meta-physician friend set up the two mirrors in his lab. Then, by ways mysterious to me, he captured an image between them, and we watched it bounced back and forth between the mirrors. We used a stop-watch to measure how long it took before the image disappeared by passing through one of the mirrors and into another dimension. The number we got was 10 seconds. 10 SECONDS.

Plugging all these numbers into our ‘probability’ equation using a...

Oh! You did the experiment and the quantum data decayed in ten seconds over a one meter distance until the wave packet was no longer viable...

Now all you need to do is extract the image debris from the Mirror by Quantum Interference Generator.


OK, now i've got an headache...
Thank you :(

Dark Archive

David Wickham wrote:
Does any else here wonder if you could trap and image between some mirrors even after the source was taken away by angling the mirrors just so?

Does light 'decay?' Or just escape? Would it be possible to create a reflective Cube of Force, and then light a torch inside of it, and teleport the torch out (or just extinguish it), leaving the insides of the reflective Wall of Force permanantly lit by the torch-that's-no-longer-there (or no longer lit, in any event)? How long would that light keep bouncing around lighting the inside of the cube? Forever? Would the photons eventually lose energy or change state somehow after forty bazillion impacts on the reflective walls of the cube?

[Feel free to replace reflective cube of force with magnetic barrier that blocks photons from leaving.]

And is it the silver backing of medieval mirrors that allowed them to function as windows into other worlds, because silver was a mystical metal, neither here, nor there, able to cut creatures, such as werewolves, who were similarly of otherworldly nature? 'Cause that would be cool, and the Nerra would be even cooler if they had some sort of truesight / damage-reduction-piercing ability.

The Exchange

Seldriss wrote:

OK, now i've got an headache...

Thank you :(

Does it help if I tell you that a Mirror reflects an image because of the perpetual neutrinto shower? Or should I tell you that Science is a Lie because placing a number value on an uncertainty creates the limits that define it.

The Exchange

Set wrote:
And is it the silver backing of medieval mirrors that allowed them to function as windows into other worlds, because silver was a mystical metal, neither here, nor there, able to cut creatures, such as werewolves, who were similarly of otherworldly nature? 'Cause that would be cool, and the Nerra would be even cooler if they had some sort of truesight / damage-reduction-piercing ability.

Wow! And if a silver mirror imparts a wavelength characteristic associated with silver to the reflection can you kill a werewolf with a mirror?

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yellowdingo wrote:
Wow! And if a silver mirror imparts a wavelength characteristic associated with silver to the reflection can you kill a werewolf with a mirror?

If you capture it's reflection, and then smash the mirror, does the werewolf's captured soul fly into a thousand pieces?

And do they manifest as little wolves clawing their way up out of the former werewolf's flesh and he collapses screaming and tearing at his skin?

The Exchange

Set wrote:
yellowdingo wrote:
Wow! And if a silver mirror imparts a wavelength characteristic associated with silver to the reflection can you kill a werewolf with a mirror?

If you capture it's reflection, and then smash the mirror, does the werewolf's captured soul fly into a thousand pieces?

And do they manifest as little wolves clawing their way up out of the former werewolf's flesh and he collapses screaming and tearing at his skin?

"At last I have found you. I was wondering who had moved against my Lycanthrope Legions with Soul destroying Mirror weapons..." Holds up a mirror of trapping.

"You will find this mirror of trapping a little different. Each room connects to a common hallway...Hua!ha!ha!ha!"


Tensor wrote:

Maybe someone has already figured this out, but the parameter we don’t really know is what the actual probability is of looking into a mirror and being sucked into another dimension. My first guess was 2%, but after thinking about it this is way waaay too large. 2% implies that about one time out of every fifty times a person looks into a mirror they will cross over to another dimension. If this were true, people would be disappearing all around us!!

Luckily, we can actually set up and do an experiment to figure out what the probability is of passing through a mirror, by using the set up David has suggested in his original post. If we set up two mirrors and measure how long it takes for a trapped image to disappear we can directly measure this ‘leak’ probability.

I had to tap into the meta-physical community, here in my city, to find somebody capable of pulling this off with two mirrors, but luckily a few friends were more than eager.

The Math: Using our equation from above, time = distance-between-mirrors / ( probability * speed-of-light) we can use algebra to manipulate it and solve for ‘probability’.

So, probability = distance-between-mirrors / ( time * speed-of-light). We want a number for ‘probability’, so we need numbers for ‘distance-between-mirrors’, ‘time’, and ‘speed-of-light’.

‘speed-of-light’ is a constant in our universe at 300,000,000 m/s.
‘distance-between-mirrors’ is something we can control, so we set it at 1 meter.
‘time’ is something we don’t know, but will measure with a stop-watch.

The Experiment: To get ‘time’ a meta-physician friend set up the two mirrors in his lab. Then, by ways mysterious to me, he captured an image between them, and we watched it bounced back and forth between the mirrors. We used a stop-watch to measure how long it took before the image disappeared by passing through one of the mirrors and into another dimension. The number we got was 10 seconds. 10 SECONDS.

Plugging all these numbers into our ‘probability’ equation using a...

Apparently, after many unnerving attempts it turns out one must first "Collimate" the mirrors. I didn't even know collimate was a word until recently.

Liberty's Edge

Why is it always the scientists that insist on dread necromancy. I very much enjoyed this revival though and I must wonder if thirteen whole years between posts is some sort of record on these boards.

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