Quick search of Ebay (the one true market of supply and demand) reveals that Pathfinder #2, Skinsaw Murders is selling for $30 and the 4E PHB/MM/DMG are each selling for $20 (most of which, without any bidders, most of those with bidders are closer to $10).
The market has spoken. Pathfinder is worth more then 4E.
On the other hand, Amazon.ca has "The Skinsaw Murders" as its #74,966 best-selling book and the 4th edition books are at #9. But what do a bunch of hockey-loving, donut-munching hosers know, anyways? ;-)
only $30...
On the other hand, Amazon.ca has "The Skinsaw Murders" as its #74,966 best-selling book and the 4th edition books are at #9. But what do a bunch of hockey-loving, donut-munching hosers know, anyways? ;-)
Amazon's best selling rankings aren't very reliable in the long run since they're all about the NOW (read: this week). And the 4e PH is more like 27th on Amazon.com as of a couple days ago... well behind a bunch of Tim Russert books.
only $30...
Well, there is a method by which an artist's work rapidly increases in value, but you might find it a bit... severe.
and the 4E PHB/MM/DMG are each selling for $20 (most of which, without any bidders, most of those with bidders are closer to $10).
That's because they desperatly try to minimize tier losses.
And probably because you can get them new on amazon for $21.
only $30...Well, there is a method by which an artist's work rapidly increases in value, but you might find it a bit... severe.
But I may enjoy it if it were to happen to say...Greer:)
Chief Technical Officer
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On the other hand, Amazon.ca has "The Skinsaw Murders" as its #74,966 best-selling book and the 4th edition books are at #9. But what do a bunch of hockey-loving, donut-munching hosers know, anyways? ;-)
Man, those are some weird rankings:
PF1: #104,607
2: #75,176
3: #77,188
4: #130,972
5: #145,980
6: #127,507
7: #10,130
8: #295,819
9: #219,689
10: #193,250
RotR Map Folio: #10,144
Guide to Korvosa: #331,727
Classic Monsters: #85,001
Gazetteer: #10,176
I also like this note:
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Oddly, the only place I can find that phrase is in their sponsored links in our Pathfinder products!
On the other hand, Amazon.ca has "The Skinsaw Murders" as its #74,966 best-selling book and the 4th edition books are at #9. But what do a bunch of hockey-loving, donut-munching hosers know, anyways? ;-)
There's a difference between "worth more value" and "selling more units". McDonalds sells more hamburgers then Nissan sells more SUVs, but their SUVs cost more. Ergo, the Pathfinder is worth more then the WotC hamburger.
I mean McDonalds Hamburgher. Yea, that's what I meant.
Are you trying to imply that WotC merchandise is loaded with filler and un-appetizing, unsavory by-products with no nutritional value what-so-ever?
If so... please carry on. <Grin>
I remember when Games Workshop released their own version of a tactical game/RPG hybrid - it was called Mordheim, and it created quite a buzz for awhile around the LGS. It seems that the fast-paced and simple rules and lesser RP element was just what people were craving, and everyone was playing it like crazy those first few months.
Had Amazon or E-Bay been around back then, I'm sure the game would have produced some pretty impressive numbers in the first week or so as well.
A year later, I couldn't find anyone to play with.
Lesson learned - while its fun to ride out a fad, a rulesystem needs to be interesting to have staying power.
Lets see what 4e is selling for this time next year.. if its still selling at all. ;)
I remember when Games Workshop released their own version of a tactical game/RPG hybrid - it was called Mordheim, and it created quite a buzz for awhile around the LGS. It seems that the fast-paced and simple rules and lesser RP element was just what people were craving, and everyone was playing it like crazy those first few months.
Had Amazon or E-Bay been around back then, I'm sure the game would have produced some pretty impressive numbers in the first week or so as well.
A year later, I couldn't find anyone to play with.
Lesson learned - while its fun to ride out a fad, a rulesystem needs to be interesting to have staying power.
Lets see what 4e is selling for this time next year.. if its still selling at all. ;)
Hear, Hear
Well said.
Are you trying to imply that WotC merchandise is loaded with filler and un-appetizing, unsavory by-products with no nutritional value what-so-ever?
If so... please carry on. <Grin>
I remember when Games Workshop released their own version of a tactical game/RPG hybrid - it was called Mordheim, and it created quite a buzz for awhile around the LGS. It seems that the fast-paced and simple rules and lesser RP element was just what people were craving, and everyone was playing it like crazy those first few months.
Had Amazon or E-Bay been around back then, I'm sure the game would have produced some pretty impressive numbers in the first week or so as well.
A year later, I couldn't find anyone to play with.
Lesson learned - while its fun to ride out a fad, a rulesystem needs to be interesting to have staying power.
Lets see what 4e is selling for this time next year.. if its still selling at all. ;)
In fairness, mordhiem was not a hybrid game and in no way had any roleplaying element, it was a skirmish campaign game, it is also still played as many games clubs. I beleive you may be thinking of warhammer quest however, which reallydid sink without a trace.
But I may enjoy it if it were to happen to say...Greer:)only $30...Well, there is a method by which an artist's work rapidly increases in value, but you might find it a bit... severe.
A pox upon you, sir!
What's this all about, now?
But I may enjoy it if it were to happen to say...Greer:)only $30...Well, there is a method by which an artist's work rapidly increases in value, but you might find it a bit... severe.A pox upon you, sir!
What's this all about, now?
There is a hint in the air of putting a contract out on one of the Pathfinder writers to drive up the value of the series. Apparently Pett feels you might not be too averse to glory, even of the posthumous kind. ;-)
Quick search of Ebay (the one true market of supply and demand) reveals that Pathfinder #2, Skinsaw Murders is selling for $30 and the 4E PHB/MM/DMG are each selling for $20 (most of which, without any bidders, most of those with bidders are closer to $10).
Why would anyone buy a 4th edition on eBay? If I were to get it I would drop $60 on Amazon and get all three plus free shipping. Doesn't make any sense to buy from someone on eBay.
I don't think this means anything.
I did see a bunch of copies at the Local Barnes and Noble along with a much abused copy of keep on the shadowfell which looked quite anemic for $30. The quick play rules made sense when the module was to be released a month before the game but they didn't release it until the week before the game was out and are worthless.
-- Dennis
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I did see a bunch of copies at the Local Barnes and Noble along with a much abused copy of keep on the shadowfell which looked quite anemic for $30. The quick play rules made sense when the module was to be released a month before the game but they didn't release it until the week before the game was out and are worthless.
-- Dennis
we got shadowfell 5 weeks before the PHB et all came out
I think the major problem with Mordheim as a durable gaming system was that GW stopped supporting it. The system was that, in addition to Warhammer and 40K, they'd cycle through a third core game range every few years. So you'd see reissues of Necromunda, Bloodbowl, Epic and so forth every so often, along with newer games, thus guaranteeing the occasional influx of new blood and enthusiasm.
Unfortunately, these days that third core game slot is permanently filled by Lord of the Rings. Which, I can only assume, makes more money. It just goes to show that the quality of a gaming system is pretty much meaningless when it comes to the fiscal bottom line.
On the plus side however, since they're no longer producing any of the older games, GW has made the rules freely available here. A blatant attempt to sell more miniatures to people wanting to play them no doubt, but hey, free stuff.
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Aside from their McGriddles, I can barely stomach their food. They must use less lard in it than the rest of their menu.
What little fast food I eat comes in three general forms: McDonald's Chicken McNuggets, Wendy's Spicy Chicken Sandwich, and Popeye's Fried Chicken. If I'm going to eat a fast food burger, I usually prefer Burger King. I do eat Subway, but since they advertise as being healthy, I don't really count them as fast food.
I do eat Subway, but since they advertise as being healthy, I don't really count them as fast food.
The key word here is "advertise" - it's quite possible to get more gut busting food there than several other chains, if you're not careful. Even more unrelated, I don't understand how they don't have swiss, cheddar, or even mozzarella cheese as options.*
-Aah, how about Cheddar?
-Well, we don't get much call for it around here, sir.
-Not much ca--It's the single most popular cheese in the world!
-No 'round here, sir.
*at least at the only Subway within a 4 hour train ride of my location.
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I do eat Subway, but since they advertise as being healthy, I don't really count them as fast food.The key word here is "advertise" - it's quite possible to get more gut busting food there than several other chains, if you're not careful. Even more unrelated, I don't understand how they don't have swiss, cheddar, or even mozzarella cheese as options.*
-Aah, how about Cheddar?
-Well, we don't get much call for it around here, sir.
-Not much ca--It's the single most popular cheese in the world!
-No 'round here, sir.*at least at the only Subway within a 4 hour train ride of my location.
What a crazy Subway! I've never seen a subway without those cheeses! (Though, actually, I don't think they usually have mozzarella)
And it's true, you can load up and have a truly fattening sub, or you can have a nice turkey sub on whole wheat, it's like anything else: the individual's choice.
Edit: Thought your handle was DrMcCoy and referred to you as a doctor. Now I've saved myself the embarassment and come clean anyway so I'm not sure why I did it.
The thread was humorous. Yes, 4E is going to sell more considering that WotC 3.5 D&D was 50% of the market. And even if 40% of the 3.5 fanbase doesn't doesn't like/refuses to play the game (which every online poll is showing, even on pro-4E sites) , that's still 30% of the market. They're still #1 (and that's not including those that bought the book to "confirm their worst fears", "steal stuff for their homebrewed 3.5 game", and just buy whatever WotC churns out regardless if they ever use it). There's no arguing that.
And don't worry about calling me Dr McCoy. I get called that alot, along with Bones (reference Star Trek's Dr. McCoy) and DM McCoy as well. D is my first initial, McCoy my last name.
You lose weight eating Subway because THEY DON'T PUT ANYTHING ON THEM!
Quiznos FTW!
Now, did someone say I could get a Cheesburger on E-Bay?
I know they sold a peirogi for something like $2000, but it looked like Jesus...
I think I had French Fry that looked like Ellen Degenrous once...
What were we talking about again???
Man, those are some weird rankings:
PF1: #104,607
2: #75,176
3: #77,188
4: #130,972
5: #145,980
6: #127,507
7: #10,130
8: #295,819
9: #219,689
10: #193,250RotR Map Folio: #10,144
Guide to Korvosa: #331,727
Classic Monsters: #85,001
Gazetteer: #10,176
It's not that weird when you realize that those are rankings right now based on some very recent interval of activity rather than a long-term or all-time ranking.
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The Subways here do not carry Cheddar cheese either. Wish they did... and speaking of fattenig up on SUbway let's here it for the footlong Meatball Sub!
So, ummmmmm the market yeah that is what we were talking about.
Off topic: A friend of mine once worked at a Subway near my house. I visited him on the first day and the first thing he said to me was:
I've heard that from numerous Subway employees.
For a while there in high school I lived off that meatball sub.
Now I go with the spicy italian.
For God's sake man, don't leave me hanging . . . What's wrong with the meatball sub?!?! I don't know what I'd do without it . . .
Er . . . maybe I'll just get a pot roast sandwich from Culver's come to think of it . . .
Little known fact: the "D" stands for "Danger."
And don't worry about calling me Dr McCoy. I get called that alot, along with Bones (reference Star Trek's Dr. McCoy) and DM McCoy as well. D is my first initial, McCoy my last name.
Even less known fact: Middle name: "Will Robinson"
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Chief Technical Officer
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Even less known fact: Middle name: "Will Robinson"Little known fact: the "D" stands for "Danger."
And don't worry about calling me Dr McCoy. I get called that alot, along with Bones (reference Star Trek's Dr. McCoy) and DM McCoy as well. D is my first initial, McCoy my last name.
Quality humor there.