Check it out.Adventure ideas? Haunts?
That's what I'm talkin' about, baybee!
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Aside from adventure ideas, this is AWESOME. I certainly hope we don't see some retraction that this was a joke. How in the world can a wood ship that is over 200 years old continue to exist (or not be buried by sludge)? Not saying it can't. I remain impressed until my bubble bursts.
They attribute it to the 500' depth it is at and the very cold temperatures in the water. They say the depth it is at has very few creatures that would attack the wooden structure causing it's degradation and it has no sunlight reaching it to promote algae-type growths that typically harm such a vessel.
Amazing! That is indeed a find!
Apparently the ship is still the property of the British Admiralty.
I just sent the link to Richard Iorio, the head of Rogue Games. Healy and I started a new podcast called Atomic Array and our first interview (debuting July 4th) delves into the Colonial Gothic game and its supplements. CG adds a level of horror that interweaves with the known history of the Revolutionary War and early American colonialism (not so much 'alternate history' as 'additional supernaturalism'), and so this ship could be a great flavor addition. Why did the ship go down? Was it black magic? A Native American water demon perhaps?
Gaming aside... it is just so damn neat.
The Vasa was the first thing to pop into my head as well, CJ. Thanks for linking me though, I actually forgot the ship's name.
"Knock knock."
"Who's there?"
"Vasa."
"Vasa who?"
"Vasa matta? Ya don't remember the name of the ship?"
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Apparently the ship is still the property of the British Admiralty.
I read that also but I doubt it would hold up if the finder wanted to dispute it. Salvage laws and whatnot.....
But so far no plans to try to salvage, raise, move, raid, etc.....My question is 'if you don't intend to try to recover artifacts and/or bodies and such, why spend all the time and money finding the thing?' Seems pointless just to be able to say 'I found it!"
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I read that also but I doubt it would hold up if the finder wanted to dispute it. Salvage laws and whatnot....
It might, I remember reading some article on some Spanish galleon that was found with a crazy amount of gold on board. The Spanish govt. was trying to lay claim to it and the finders were saying it was in international waters which i guess changes the rules.
I'll have to see if I can dig it up.
BooOOooOoooo."Knock knock."
"Who's there?"
"Vasa."
"Vasa who?"
"Vasa matta? Ya don't remember the name of the ship?"
LOL. Was it that punch line in particular that brought you pain? Or the knock knock joke form itself?
"Knock knock."
"Who's there?"
"Pecan."
"Pecan who?"
"Pecan someone your own size, Callous Jack!"
Apparently the ship is still the property of the British Admiralty.
I just sent the link to Richard Iorio, the head of Rogue Games. Healy and I started a new podcast called Atomic Array and our first interview (debuting July 4th) delves into the Colonial Gothic game and its supplements. CG adds a level of horror that interweaves with the known history of the Revolutionary War and early American colonialism (not so much 'alternate history' as 'additional supernaturalism'), and so this ship could be a great flavor addition. Why did the ship go down? Was it black magic? A Native American water demon perhaps?
Gaming aside... it is just so damn neat.
That sounds fantastic, I will have to take a look at Rogue. Two years ago I read a book called Crucible of War: The Seven Years' War and the Fate of Empire in British North America, 1754-1766 that made me want to run a campaign with it or something like it as a backdrop. I highly recommend the book to anyone interested in the subject.
Very cool! I will absolutely check that out, Bill. I wrote myself a note to search out a copy.
Knock-knock jokes in general are painful. ;-)
One I wrote that I like to tell? Sure...
Knock knock
Who's there?
YOU KNOW WHO IT IS, B!TCH! NOW OPEN THE F@#$ING DOOR!
Then I hammer my fists against the nearest door.
I probably saw too many episodes of Cops.
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Knock-knock jokes in general are painful. ;-)One I wrote that I like to tell? Sure...
Knock knock
Who's there?
YOU KNOW WHO IT IS, B!TCH! NOW OPEN THE F@#$ING DOOR!
Then I hammer my fists against the nearest door.
I probably saw too many episodes of Cops.
I'm disappointed, I expected you to at least kick the door in.
I'm disappointed, I expected you to at least kick the door in.Knock-knock jokes in general are painful. ;-)One I wrote that I like to tell? Sure...
Knock knock
Who's there?
YOU KNOW WHO IT IS, B!TCH! NOW OPEN THE F@#$ING DOOR!
Then I hammer my fists against the nearest door.
I probably saw too many episodes of Cops.
You actually just reminded me... that's exactly how I used to tell the joke. I'd put someone on the other side of a door, close it, and go Stormin' Norman on it halfway through. Kickin' and slappin' away.
Apparently the ship is still the property of the British Admiralty.
I read that also but I doubt it would hold up if the finder wanted to dispute it. Salvage laws and whatnot.....
But so far no plans to try to salvage, raise, move, raid, etc.....
My question is 'if you don't intend to try to recover artifacts and/or bodies and such, why spend all the time and money finding the thing?' Seems pointless just to be able to say 'I found it!"
Several reasons: You are boasting your engineering skills not your archaeology skills; respect for the dead; the success can lead to more lucrative searches; been there done that; some info will be lost if you move it, studying in situ will yield more accurate info; it is a fake; fear of the dead (in archaeology circles this is called bad juju!; no new knowledge will be gained (that era is really well documented); gas is expensive; technology might be different in 10 or 15 years or more and it will be safer to recover then; the little mermaid who directed them to it got assurances of anonimity (and she knows a guy named Guido).
Several reasons: You are boasting your engineering skills not your archaeology skills; respect for the dead; the success can lead to more lucrative searches; been there done that; some info will be lost if you move it, studying in situ will yield more accurate info; it is a fake; fear of the dead (in archaeology circles this is called bad juju!; no new knowledge will be gained (that era is really well documented); gas is expensive; technology might be different in 10 or 15 years or more and it will be safer to recover then; the little mermaid who directed them to it got assurances of anonimity (and she knows a guy named Guido).Apparently the ship is still the property of the British Admiralty.
I read that also but I doubt it would hold up if the finder wanted to dispute it. Salvage laws and whatnot.....
But so far no plans to try to salvage, raise, move, raid, etc.....
My question is 'if you don't intend to try to recover artifacts and/or bodies and such, why spend all the time and money finding the thing?' Seems pointless just to be able to say 'I found it!"
I'm one of the oddballs who, much as I love Egyptology, gets put off when they raid a tomb for archeology's sake. I know we all want to know things, but if the people of the future dug me up and hung me up somewhere as a museum attraction... call me Eddy Egoboy but that would really annoy me.
Treating the ship as a war grave shows respect for those that passed, and that's, for reasons I don't truly understand about myself, somehow comforting. That said, I also wish the ship was in a museum because I'd love to see it and know it's being preserved for the future. To quote Babarino, "I'm so confused!"
Guess I'm too D&D minded. LOOT IT! LOOT IT ALL!!! IS THAT A RING ON THAT DEAD DUDE'S FINGER? MINE!!!!!
ROFL <-- my first use of roffle, ever.
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Several reasons: You are boasting your engineering skills not your archaeology skills; respect for the dead; the success can lead to more lucrative searches; been there done that; some info will be lost if you move it, studying in situ will yield more accurate info; it is a fake; fear of the dead (in archaeology circles this is called bad juju!; no new knowledge will be gained (that era is really well documented); gas is expensive; technology might be different in 10 or 15 years or more and it will be safer to recover then; the little mermaid who directed them to it got assurances of anonimity (and she knows a guy named Guido).Apparently the ship is still the property of the British Admiralty.
I read that also but I doubt it would hold up if the finder wanted to dispute it. Salvage laws and whatnot.....
But so far no plans to try to salvage, raise, move, raid, etc.....
My question is 'if you don't intend to try to recover artifacts and/or bodies and such, why spend all the time and money finding the thing?' Seems pointless just to be able to say 'I found it!"
I'm one of the oddballs who, much as I love Egyptology, gets put off when they raid a tomb for archeology's sake. I know we all want to know things, but if the people of the future dug me up and hung me up somewhere as a museum attraction... call me Eddy Egoboy but that would really annoy me.
Treating the ship as a war grave shows respect for those that passed, and that's, for reasons I don't truly understand about myself, somehow comforting. That said, I also wish the ship was in a museum because I'd love to see it and know it's being preserved for the future. To quote Babarino, "I'm so confused!"
Meh. I'm of the "it belongs in a museum" school. In my opinion, it's better to control the damage, preserve it for archaeologists and historians to study, than to let it slowly decay in situ.
The ship I'd certainly like to see raised. I'm just not into tomb robbing. This isn't quite the same thing. I suppose if England said they've give the recovered sailors a mass burial with a ceremony that might be cool.
The ship I'd certainly like to see raised. I'm just not into tomb robbing. This isn't quite the same thing. I suppose if England said they've give the recovered sailors a mass burial with a ceremony that might be cool.
They might. But sailors can be a peculiar lot at times. The US Government has been trying for years to drain the remaining fuel bunkers of USS Arizona, sunk in 1941 and left as a memorial/gravesite, because they are in imminent danger of finally rusting to collapse, which would release a large amount of fuel oil into Pearl Harbor. The remaining survivors of Arizona have blocked all attempts to do so both because they fear it might disturb the gravesite (many survivors of Arizona have elected to be cremated when they die and have their ashes interred in the ship with their crewmates who perished on 7 December) and because they consider the (for now) slowly leaking oil to be "the tears of the ship," a poignant reminder of the sacrifice of the 1,177 men who were killed when the ship was destroyed.
They might. But sailors can be a peculiar lot at times. The US Government has been trying for years to drain the remaining fuel bunkers of USS Arizona, sunk in 1941 and left as a memorial/gravesite, because they are in imminent danger of finally rusting to collapse, which would release a large amount of fuel oil into Pearl Harbor. The remaining survivors of Arizona have blocked all attempts to do so both because they fear it might disturb the gravesite (many survivors of Arizona have elected to be cremated when they die and have their ashes interred in the ship with their crewmates who perished on 7 December) and because they consider the (for now) slowly leaking oil to be "the tears of the ship," a poignant reminder of the sacrifice of the 1,177 men who were killed when the ship was destroyed.
The ship I'd certainly like to see raised. I'm just not into tomb robbing. This isn't quite the same thing. I suppose if England said they've give the recovered sailors a mass burial with a ceremony that might be cool.
Wow. Thanks for the fascinating historical insight, Pat.
"Pssst honey, get the shovel out when everyone leaves!"
Is that what your lady calls it? Good for you, CJ! I always get tripod or baby's arm, but shovel is just brutal!
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"Pssst honey, get the shovel out when everyone leaves!"Is that what your lady calls it? Good for you, CJ! I always get tripod or baby's arm, but shovel is just brutal!
Can't wait to get the ol' shovel spade! Get it. Come on, it's a homophone!
Besides, when you're plowing the field a shovel is a pretty good tool to have.
I'm really digging your naughty puns.
Check it out.
There has got to be a tentacle or two involved in this, at that depth!
This is marvelous. I learned how to scuba dive in Lake Superior in 1988. I remember the visibility in the Great Lakes was amazingly far. The instructors would tell us shipwreck stories, and tales of their deep water dives to wrecks that supposedly still had bodies on them.
Check it out.There has got to be a tentacle or two involved in this, at that depth!
This is marvelous. I learned how to scuba dive in Lake Superior in 1988. I remember the visibility in the Great Lakes was amazingly far. The instructors would tell us shipwreck stories, and tales of their deep water dives to wrecks that supposedly still had bodies on them.
Without question. That is a haunted house with no oxygen and crushing pressure is what it is. Plenty of low visibility in the depths... and shadowy places for unspeakable things to roost.
I'm glad you enjoyed the news and that it resonated with your nifty diving story.