What happened to the Bard's cantrips?


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Liberty's Edge

I was going over Paizo's Oglam Death-Drum and was looking over his cantrips. Then I went to Alpha 3. Much to my surprsise there are no cantrips on Table 4-3. However, the Bard's spells describe picking up 4 cantrips at 1st level. But then, there's nothing to describe whether a Bard's cantrips are at will or not.

I have to imagine that this is a gross oversight to be fixed with Beta. (Or at least I hope!)

Dark Archive

Bard's cast cantrips like Sorcerer

Cantrips (Sp): Sorcerers know a number of cantrips.
They can cast these spells at will as a spell-like ability. The
number of cantrips a sorcerer knows is noted on Table 4–13
under 0-level spells known. Cantrips are treated like any
other spell cast by the sorcerer in terms of duration and
other variables based on level.

The Bard Table is Table 4–4 other then that they work the same

Liberty's Edge

Yeah. I found more information on this. Still, Table 4-3 seems erroneous because it doesn't include cantrips whatsoever, whereas other spellcasters have them included on the class table.

Liberty's Edge

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Because you're looking at the wrong table. Table 4-3 shows spells per day. Turn the page, Table 4-4 shows spells known.

Bards don't have 0 level listed on spells per day because he casts them unlimited, like everyone else. Bards start by knowing 4 cantrips and end by knowing 6.

Bard's table is set up like everyone else's table. The class tables show Spells Per Day just like all the other casters, and like the other casters if there's a spells known limit, there's a separate table for that.

Liberty's Edge

Got it.

Cleric, Druids, and Wizards have a broad array of 0 level spells to choose from, and are limited by Spells Per Day to what number of cantrips/orison they can use at will.

Bards and Sorcerers at will cantrips are limited by the number they know.

Just got a little confused there.

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