This is basically a question and proposal for the entire staff at Paizo...
Is there any chance of seeing magazines for Pathfinder like Dragon and Dungeon? I know I am not alone in being more than a little dismayed at the demise of these two iconic publishings for D&D. These two magazines added greatly to the experience of Dungeons and Dragons (and a few other games in the early years) that I dont feel D&D Insider is going to match. Having the physical pages in your hands was part of the experience and being able to refrence them without needing to get online.
"Pathfinder Dragon" for character options, equipment, magic items, gaming suggestions, articles that add color to the campaign setting, prestige classes, new organizations, etc.
"Pathfinder Dungeon" for short adventures and possibly new monsters.
-Weylin Stormcrowe
Thats what the Pathfinder Adventure paths are and the companions.
The Paizo guys have said multiple times they dont want to get back in to magazine production
The Kobold Quarterly certainly comes close in quality and form.. and hey, they have a 5 issues for price of 4 sale right now until June 1 :) (lucky dogs, er, kobolds!)
Wolfgang Baur publishes it, and works pretty close with the Paizo crew on some things. Mike McArtor was published in the last one.
Also, don't forget Nick Louge's new line, Sinister Adventures. I think that between him and a few other companies, that Dungeon's short adventures will almost be filled. (Sorry Nick. I seriously doubt that anything can fill that void. But you are doing a good job with your attempt.)
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Kobold Quarterly is certainly the way to go to "replace" Dragon.
As far as a Paizo magazine goes for Pathfinder, I think we're a very long way before that happens. Pathfinder RPG has to be a smash hit. People that aren't Paizo customers already have to buy it and other companies have to use it.
Paizo's staff would also have to double, perhaps triple before a magazine would be even possible. They're way too busy with what they have now to add a magazine to it.
Let's take this one year at a time, please.
Step 1: Launch Pathfinder successfully (Check)
Step 2: Launch Pathfinder RPG successfully (in progress)
Step 3: Launch Pathfinder fiction line (2009)
Step 5: ?--Erik
Step 4: PATHFINDER MAGAZINE!!! DO IT!!! You know you want to Erik. ;-)
Step 5: ?
--Erik
Profit? But you didn't have any underpants in the previous steps . . .
Let's take this one year at a time, please.
Step 1: Launch Pathfinder successfully (Check)
Step 2: Launch Pathfinder RPG successfully (in progress)
Step 3: Launch Pathfinder fiction line (2009)
Step 5: ?--Erik
~reads your post again~ Ummmm.... What was step 4? Have everyone mind controlled by Paizo? If that is step 4, then you did that before step 1. ~grins~
Profit is good =D I would have put that in between all the other steps and at the end lolz
Step 3: Launch Pathfinder fiction line (2009)
It's sad that I went for the joke first . . .
While I know you guys kept saying its probably going to happen, its good to see this as one of the steps anyway . . . and given that you have Elaine writing material for Second Darkness, I'm pretty happy with the direction you are looking for your authors.
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Step 3: Launch Pathfinder fiction line (2009)
Pathfinder fiction confirmed!
Don't forget Ed, KEJ! The best part about having Ed and Elaine interested and working on something now is they have their feet wet for if/when there is fiction.
If Ed developed his own country or whatever, that means he has his own playground for the novels. Anyone that's read Elaine knows she likes to make all her works connect together.. so whatever Journal stuff she does now has the potential to be continued/expanded in the novel-verse!
That said I'm really really hope we'll ALSO see fiction with the Iconics, fiction in Sandpoint, fiction in Korvosa, and anywhere else they continue to develop.
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Let's take this one year at a time, please.
Step 1: Launch Pathfinder successfully (Check)
Step 2: Launch Pathfinder RPG successfully (in progress)
Step 3: Launch Pathfinder fiction line (2009)
Step 5: ?--Erik
You left out Step 4: Launch Pathfinder Modern (2009). :P
As a related aside, I recently took a survey from WotC regarding its e-zines. Given some of the questions, I'm wondering whether the company is beginning to reconsider relaunching Dragon in Dungeon in paper form as well.
Mind you, I really have all I need from Paizo. So, unless something horrible happens to Paizo's quality of product, I'm here. Just thought it was interesting.
I think step four should be:
Pathfinder: the RPG video game.
Pathfinder MMO!
Oh, wait. I wouldn't play it anyway...never mind. (Not because of the Pathfinder part, but the MMO thing)
How about a Pathfinder movie? It can feature raiders from the Lands of the Linnorm Kings attacking a peaceful Shoanti settlement, only to be driven away by a half-blood Shoanti from a previous raid.
Oh, wait...
I think step four should be:
Pathfinder: the RPG video game.
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You are in a maze of twisty passages, all alike.
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You have been eaten by a lamia matriarch.
Step 4 should be team up with Maptools and sell pre-mades along with the adventure for a few extra bucks!
Would be worth the time it takes me to write everything up.
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I know of many, many people who were big supporters of Dragon that do not support Pathfinder.
They aren't in to adventures (not big Dungeon fans and don't see Pathfinder as a replacement of Dragon at all, only Dungeon.
I have informed lgs folks and friends alike about KQ, which is what I see as the replacement of Dragon but, because I am not a Dragon kinda guy (and because I only own KQ2) I have not been so successful.
I'm a hard-core fan of adventures and Pathfinder fills my want. I wish there was a way to really reach the Dragon readers and tell 'em about KQ.
Maybe Paizo and Wolf can come to an agreement where Paizo can send an e-mail and/or pamphlet to all the old Dragon subscribers who aren't Pathfinder subscribers and advertise KQ. When all the D&D subscribers were given options on their remaining credit KQ was obviously not one of the options. Maybe now it can be. (Of course, the cost of printing that many ads could be very prohibitive -- not to mention the ethical problem of soliciting by sharing e-mails and addresses.
(As an aside, I really don't think Paizo has anything that resembles KQ and I think it could only hurt Paizo and KQ if Paizo were to do something similar with one of their current products.)
-W. E. Ray
Actually the pathfinder books fill a bit of both for me.
Most have some new weapons in it, they have some history/backround of an interesting setting to read and a fistful of monsters with them.
Although they are a bit more expensive they are more sturdy than the magazines and given the price of both combined, they do well to substitute both for me. A massively smaller amount of advertising in them also helps.
Chief Creative Officer, Publisher
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Profit? But you didn't have any underpants in the previous steps . . .
Step 5: ?
--Erik
That's funny. You'll note that my list is missing a Step 4, which in my initial draft of the post was, indeed, "profit."
Underwear gnomes are everywhere (except in the 4e Player's Handbook, apparently...)
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And I bet there's a lot of Dragon fans who feel as you do, David; but I know of lots and lots that don't (hmm, maybe 40-50). Or, at least, they don't feel Pathfinder APs have nearly enough Dragon content for the price.
I think for these folks a $9 KQ with 100% damn-good "pure" Dragon material is more appealing than a $20 Pathfinder with 25% Dragon-like material.
Again, since I'm a fan of adventures, NOT articles, I maybe have as much problem articulating their points of view to you as I do explaining to them that if I were a Dragon guy I'd definetly want KQ.
-W. E. Ray
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My list is missing a Step 4, which in my initial draft of the post was, indeed, "profit."
So, uh, Mona, you forgetting how to be an editer on us? Isn't proofreading part of the job.
You slacker!
I'm gonna send all the underpants gnomes and wereplatypuses after you!
We're gonna change 8 November from Erik Mona day to, um, ... to...
-W. E. Ray
Let's take this one year at a time, please.
Step 1: Launch Pathfinder successfully (Check)
Step 2: Launch Pathfinder RPG successfully (in progress)
Step 3: Launch Pathfinder fiction line (2009)
Step 5: ?--Erik
So, Erik? What? No Pathfinder poetry slam in 2010?
I was looking forward to the Pathfinder Finger-painting contest around 2012, myself.
With the best printed up in a "Art of Pathfinder" coffeee-table book, of course.
As it becomes painfully apparent that the DDi will NEVER replace Dungeon and Dragon magazines, despite all the promises to that end, I feel more and more people will indeed be looking for a replacement.
I think Paizo should be thinking about a "Gaming Table" somewhere down the line as well, when WotC's version proves to be nothing but vaporware.
I was looking forward to the Pathfinder Finger-painting contest around 2012, myself.
With the best printed up in a "Art of Pathfinder" coffeee-table book, of course.
Yay!
*gets out her fingerpaints*
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Actually, your list also reminded me (this is meant in a complimentary fashion) of the 'Awaken Minions' card from the Middle Earth: The Wizards CCG, which had the following quote on it from Lord of the Rings: "...here the Dark Power, moving its armies like pieces on a board, was gathering them together."
Yeah, ummmm, I was thinking of that too. ;)
I think step four should be:
Pathfinder: the RPG video game.
I'd buy it. Do something along the lines of Deus Ex or Vampire Bloodlines - but with less guns, obviously.
Step 5-The Pathfinder animated series! Come on!
X-Rated.
"Art of Pathfinder" coffeee-table book, of course.
Gimme gimme gimme.
As it becomes painfully apparent that the DDi will NEVER replace Dungeon and Dragon magazines, despite all the promises to that end, I feel more and more people will indeed be looking for a replacement.
Everyone who puts faith in anything electronic wizards does for D&D has no one to blame but himself :P
(Seriously, their track record is anything but glamurous)
I think Paizo should be thinking about a "Gaming Table" somewhere down the line as well, when WotC's version proves to be nothing but vaporware.
http://paizo.com/paizo/messageboards/paizo/products/v5748btpy83gr&xml=a tom
There are already decent probrammes out there, they just have to team up with one of the better ones and endorse it. Offer tie-in rulesets for PF, as well as the necessary map files and monster pics and all that. Add some meet-up functionality, and you're golden, no need to reinvent the wheel. And since those programmes tend to not force you to pay per use or per month, the whole thing gets even better.
Let's take this one year at a time, please.
Step 1: Launch Pathfinder successfully (Check)
Step 2: Launch Pathfinder RPG successfully (in progress)
Step 3: Launch Pathfinder fiction line (2009)
Step 5: ?
Step 4: Plush toys (for the younger fans) and... other toys for older ones. (fess up, people. You're all thinking it)
Step 5: World DominationOther steps ->
This would be awesome. The only thing I have been feeling envious about for 4e is that 4e gets a cool new DM screen made of super-heavy Monopoly-board style card. If we could have a landcape Pathfinder screen made of that kind of material, I would buy it right away.The PF GM Screen. Landscape format, made of the same material the Vampire: The Requiem one is made of, featuring the twelve iconics in combat,...
The World of Darkness screens are like that, too. I have the Vampire one, and it rocks.
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This would be awesome. The only thing I have been feeling envious about for 4e is that 4e gets a cool new DM screen made of super-heavy Monopoly-board style card. If we could have a landcape Pathfinder screen made of that kind of material, I would buy it right away.The PF GM Screen. Landscape format, made of the same material the Vampire: The Requiem one is made of, featuring the twelve iconics in combat,...
I'd love to see a 4 panel GM screen with a giant 4 panel mosaic by Wayne Reynolds featuring all 12 Iconics fighting against a horde of evil. :)
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Underwear gnomes are everywhere (except in the 4e Player's Handbook, apparently...)
Nice fit. ;-)
Gnomes without underwear can be found in the latest issue of Kobold Quaterly:
"Typical Physical Characteristics
Cluracan resemble gnomes with olive
skin. Unlike gnomes, however, they
generally abhor clothing of all types
and prefer to live their lives free of its
burden and completely naked."
Kr,
Günther
Please tell me that there's no pictures in there.
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This would be awesome. The only thing I have been feeling envious about for 4e is that 4e gets a cool new DM screen made of super-heavy Monopoly-board style card. If we could have a landcape Pathfinder screen made of that kind of material, I would buy it right away.The PF GM Screen. Landscape format, made of the same material the Vampire: The Requiem one is made of, featuring the twelve iconics in combat,...
I am really hoping for a DM screen done the Paizo way. I like the Kingdoms of Kalamar screen but it has too much world specific information on it. Now, a Pathfinder screen - I do not care how much world specific information there is (i.e., dieties).
The World of Darkness screens are like that, too. I have the Vampire one, and it rocks.This would be awesome. The only thing I have been feeling envious about for 4e is that 4e gets a cool new DM screen made of super-heavy Monopoly-board style card. If we could have a landcape Pathfinder screen made of that kind of material, I would buy it right away.The PF GM Screen. Landscape format, made of the same material the Vampire: The Requiem one is made of, featuring the twelve iconics in combat,...
Got the Changeling one and it's made me reevaluate the whole GM screen thing- a Pathfinder equivalent would get my money.
And make sure if it's of rigid stock, it can also double as a Japanese warfan... for those times when players become unruly.
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Step 4: Plush toys (for the younger fans) and... other toys for older ones. (fess up, people. You're all thinking it)
Step 5: World DominationOther steps ->
The PF GM Screen. Landscape format, made of the same material the Vampire: The Requiem one is made of, featuring the twelve iconics in combat,...
*Please make a purple beholder, Ive promised one for a friend when we were watching D&D movie at the cinema and she started screaming IWANTIWANTIWANT!!!!!
*About the PF screen, you know what would be nice?
I was looking at my old AD&D books and the artbooks... they have really good artwork that does not shows so many combat scenes, just a group talking, resting, sometimes you could see a monster and a fight, but it was not so common, I miss the old drawings where the characters are just doing stuff that they'd normally do (besides fighting the monsters and save the day).
*after that Paizo should dominate the world and impose a RPGcracy
Not that I think they'd do it anyway, but I'd recommend Paizo NOT make a monthly magazine. At least not in print, anyway. Not because I don't miss Dungeon and Dragon (I do.) Not because I think it would be poor quality (It would be excellent.) And not because I wouldn't subscribe to it (I certainly would.) The magazine is a dieing breed. Lots of magazines are going under. Even though Wizards irked me by cancelling the mags, it was honestly a pretty wise business decision. Print magazines are having more and more trouble competing with all of the free, high-quality, constantly updated material on the internet.
In the next couple of years, I wouldn't be surprised if many of us have some kind of document reader gizmo like Amazon's "Kindle" that lets us download material to read in a book format. If that does happen, maybe then they could start developing a downloadable magazine.
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I love Pathfinder (note the Superscriber tag above) but what I miss about the magazines is all the non-core stuff. I'd like to have a place to get articles with story and rule options for the Pathfinder RPG that have nothing to do with Golarion. Where can I read about other Pathfinder fantasy worlds? Modern worlds? SciFi worlds? The current monthly adventure+flavor is great but it is all tied to one world. Hopefully someday the Pathfinder RPG will evolve to the point where it can support a monthly or bi-monthly product dealing with non-core worlds and non-core rules. To me, that would be the Pathfinder magazine.
And I really REALLY miss the ads. Seriously. Where else am I going to find out about new products by other RPG companies? I want ads!