Will the final edition have complete feats and spell lists and descriptions?

[ledgabriel]

The title says it all. In the alpha releases there are only the feats and spells that have somehow changed, the others are mentioned to work like the PHB. Will the final edition be like that? I hope not, otherwise people will need the PHB to play and I was expecting it to stand alone on its own, without the need of another book.

thanks

[cappadocius]

The Pathfinder RPG is intended to replace the 3.5 PHB and DMG when they go out of print next year, so yes, it absolutely will be standalone.

[Paul Watson]

ledgabriel wrote:

The title says it all. In the alpha releases there are only the feats and spells that have somehow changed, the others are mentioned to work like the PHB. Will the final edition be like that? I hope not, otherwise people will need the PHB to play and I was expecting it to stand alone on its own, without the need of another book.

thanks

Given the stated goal is to have Pathfinder be the only book you need to play once it becomes impossible to find Players Handbooks, I would be stocked and astonished beyond measure if the final edition didn't include them. But as they are in Alpha testing at the moment, it makes more sense to draw attention to the rules that are changing, rather than force people to hunt through two books comparing them line by line to pick up on differences.

[Meatpuppet]

Funny I was just wondering the same thing about the beta release...

[ledgabriel]

Paul Watson wrote:

as they are in Alpha testing at the moment, it makes more sense to draw attention to the rules that are changing, rather than force people to hunt through two books comparing them line by line to pick up on differences.

Oh absolutely, I'm not complaining about the lack of complete lists in the alpha, there's no need for it, as you said, draws the attention to things that are changing and saves a lot of space for something that is not final and is supposed to be quick to read and understand.